Ban the burkha ?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

For the secruity aspex we should BAN the burka, If a motorcyclist enters a building for secruity reasons, he MUST take his helmet off, so why can't the burka be removed in the street for the same reason.

[QUOTE=Arthurgray50@blu;34948468]For the secruity aspex we should BAN the burka, If a motorcyclist enters a building for secruity reasons, he MUST take his helmet off, so why can't the burka be removed in the street for the same reason.[/QUOTE]

not in the street Arthur thats going to far

[chris9991]

Isn't it usually that case that buildings that ban motorcycle helmets are places like banks which can set their own rules, and hence why can't they set their own rules with regards to the burkha?

[punky]

Originally Posted by chris9991

Isn't it usually that case that buildings that ban motorcycle helmets are places like banks which can set their own rules, and hence why can't they set their own rules with regards to the burkha?

Because you can't discriminate on the basis of religion but you can on the basis of mode of transport to the bank.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

For the secruity aspex we should BAN the burka, If a motorcyclist enters a building for secruity reasons, he MUST take his helmet off, so why can't the burka be removed in the street for the same reason.

Do you agree that hats and hoodies should also be banned from the street too?

Also have you heard of many people committing crimes while disguised under a burkha?

Originally Posted by Russ

Do you agree that hats and hoodies should also be banned from the street too?

Also have you heard of many people committing crimes while disguised under a burkha?

already addressed that Russ and there has been quite a few in recent years examples in previous posts

Originally Posted by martyh

yes and there are some that get stoned for not wearing it .
We all seem to be in agreement ..including Maggie...that the burka is a voluntary item of clothing in this country so there should be no objection to removal in some places

Voluntary removal under the right and correct system and in the RIGHT place..Say at the airport or banks or hospital or clinics..

But not a complete ban as Farage and Arthur are advocating.

from the links provide in the OP

Nigel Farage, has announced that UKIP, the main party in the EFD group, are calling for the traditional Muslim clothing, worn by women to be Banned. Going further than the far-right British National Party, who are accused of neo-fascist ideology and only wish to prohibit the wearing of the burqa in schools. UKIP are asking for the burqa, that covers the body and the nijab, or veil to be banned from public and private places.

MUSLIM women should be banned from wearing the burkha and other veils that cover their faces in *public, the UK *Independence Party said yesterday.


Nigel Farage, the party’s former leader, said the move would prevent extremists imposing their culture – including Sharia law – on Britain.

The latter quote really does imply it's a Muslim thing in particular..

[Russ]

Originally Posted by martyh

already addressed that Russ and there has been quite a few in recent years examples in previous posts

Did you address how many crimes have been committed by people wearing hoodies and hats whilst not having calls for those items to be banned?

[sollp]

Originally Posted by Russ

Did you address how many crimes have been committed by people wearing hoodies and hats whilst not having calls for those items to be banned?

Difficult one really i would have thought, not having the official figures to hand nor of course for those commiting crimes whilst women wearing burkas or men posing as a burka clad women. Wheres those fiures when you need them.

AS has already been stated that certain shopping precincts,shops,banks, petrols stations have been know to ban the wearing of hoodies/hats, again thought those figures are difficult to come by.. any help out there collecting them.

Originally Posted by Russ

Did you address how many crimes have been committed by people wearing hoodies and hats whilst not having calls for those items to be banned?

the comparison i used was banks /posts offices .I used these because we already have bans on these items in such places so i was trying to make the point that criminals are now using the burka as a alternative
I am fully aware that crimes are still commited with hoodies and crash helmets ,like street muggings ,we can never stop this but what we can do is minimalize the opportunities criminals have .We also have to concider places were facial recognition is vital like at airports ,is the person entering /leaving the country realy who it says on the passport?

By the way maybe we should ban baseball caps as well because they hide faces on the CCTV.
















































By the way I'm not actually being serious..

[Russ]

Originally Posted by sollp

Difficult one really i would have thought, not having the official figures to hand nor of course for those commiting crimes whilst women wearing burkas or men posing as a burka clad women. Wheres those fiures when you need them.

AS has already been stated that certain shopping precincts,shops,banks, petrols stations have been know to ban the wearing of hoodies/hats, again thought those figures are difficult to come by.. any help out there collecting them.

I'll make my position clear on this - I think the majority of anti-burkha posters on here have their view simply because it's based in Islam, nothing more.

I'm all for the banning of any types of clothing for security purposes in banks, airports etc whether a burkha, helmet, hat etc

But banning it from all public places? That's just pure Islamiphobia. There is no evidence to suggest wearing something which completely covers someone's face in public creates a significant security risk. If you insist on burkhas being banned in public then you have to agree to helmets, hats, opened umbrellas and hoodies being banned too otherwise you're on the way to supporting an 1984 type state.

[sollp]

Originally Posted by Russ

I'll make my position clear on this - I think the majority of anti-burkha posters on here have their view simply because it's based in Islam, nothing more.

I'm all for the banning of any types of clothing for security purposes in banks, airports etc whether a burkha, helmet, hat etc

But banning it from all public places? That's just pure Islamiphobia. There is no evidence to suggest wearing something which completely covers someone's face in public creates a significant security risk. If you insist on burkhas being banned in public then you have to agree to helmets, hats, opened umbrellas and hoodies being banned too otherwise you're on the way to supporting an 1984 type state.

I'm not for the total ban either, security risk yes it can be as already pointed out, it's difficult to identify a person wearing one, the implications of getting there ID must be a absolute nightmare. Of course asking anyone for there id will cause some discomfort but to have the added problem of,"You've insulted my religion,beliefs" whatever is another weapon that THE extremist will use it to there advantage, so people want to counter that by saying,"well ban the burka then".

Originally Posted by Russ

I'll make my position clear on this - I think the majority of anti-burkha posters on here have their view simply because it's based in Islam, nothing more.

Originally Posted by Russ

I'm all for the banning of any types of clothing for security purposes in banks, airports etc whether a burkha, helmet, hat etc

But banning it from all public places? That's just pure Islamiphobia. There is no evidence to suggest wearing something which completely covers someone's face in public creates a significant security risk. If you insist on burkhas being banned in public then you have to agree to helmets, hats, opened umbrellas and hoodies being banned too otherwise you're on the way to supporting an 1984 type state.

i aggree with that Russ ,
incidently there was a case a while back concerning Shabina Begum that addressed this issue .Eventually she lost her case, i'm not sure if a precedent was set but a ruling was made that

"The legal status of Islamic dress in schools was clarified by the Shabina Begum case, where the Judicial Committee of the House of Lords ruled that freedom to manifest religious beliefs was not absolute, and could be restricted"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab_by_country

[Peter_]

Its quite simple if you refuse to remove your facial covering being it a motorcycle helmet, hat, veil or any other garment that may be covering your face when going into a place that requires your face to be seen then you should be disallowed from entry.