Will the Tories do Murdoch's bidding and kill off the BBC?

[ArronC07]

Originally Posted by Product 13

Would you pay a licence fee to the Sun newspaper in order to be able to read all the other newspapers?

If the Sun was delivered free of charge and was legally bound to as impartial as it could be and was made to provide news on all areas of interests to everyone who read it, you'd have a point.

Would you pay a licence fee for owning a toaster, with all fees going to Mr Warburton?

The market is pretty good at providing the nation with it's mass and niche bread requirements so I'm not sure what your point is here.

In the eyes of the BBC, people who don't have a TV are classed as liars and criminals. They will harass and bully the innocent.

No in the eyes of the Licensing Authority people who don't own a TV don't have to pay.

Like some have already mentioned, the BBC should give the public a fair choice and go subscription only. But they won't do that, because they know they would go bust!

I don't think a subscription model would work and would allow the BBC to maintain it's diverse output.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

You're SO wrong, I only watch those BBC produced programmes on a commercial channel that the BBC gets the advertising revenue for, thus I am paying for what I WANT to watch rather than being forced to pay for the rest of the trash output..

Which shows? Bear in mind the BBC's position means they can produce more documentaries and education shows than a commercial channel could.

[ArronC07]

Originally Posted by Thomas T

You assume what you want I don't really care. Assuming that everyone who doesn't agree with you is selfish just shows your ignorance. If you tried debating or discussing and actually finding out peoples opinions instead of assuming you already know them you may get further.

Still that's just my 2p and all.

I'm one of those people who doesn't mind paying the licence - but then I don't pay as much as most people so maybe that's why.

Well to be fair you've responded to a post that was a response to a post that was addressing someone else who'd used the Daily Mail as a central plank in support of his/her argument.

But yeah I guess its a fair cop to point out that suggesting that its selfish not to want to contribute to the BBC unless it only produces what they want is telling people what to think.

[downquark1]

Broadcast television is an antiquated medium. The only things I watch are on the bbc iplayer. If they abolish the license fee just turn iplayer into a subscription service and I will be happy.

To people who watch ITV, 4 and 5. What the hell are you watching? [cultural snobbery]

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by ArronC07

Well to be fair you've responded to a post that was a response to a post that was addressing someone else who'd used the Daily Mail as a central plank in support of his/her argument.

But yeah I guess its a fair cop to point out that suggesting that its selfish not to want to contribute to the BBC unless it only produces what they want is telling people what to think.

If you are going to try and misquote me you could at least get it right.

you said 'Obviously it's also easier to be told what to think.'

THAT is the only part of what you've posted i've quoted. Nothing more and nothing less.

I've also suggested you may want to find out what people think before you you accuse them of being selfish.

I did not point out 'suggesting that its selfish not to want to contribute to the BBC unless it only produces what they want is telling people what to think.'


Anyway I'll leave you to it.

[Jimmy-J]

The simple point is, I want to be able to buy a TV without having to fork out extra money every year just to be able to use it, a TV does have other uses ya'know.

If you and others are so confident that the BBC are this all singing all dancing entertainment package and that the British public will be worse off without it, then you would have no problem with it going subscription only.

You want it, you pay for it.

I don't want it, but I still have to pay for it. Is that fair?

[ArronC07]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

You're SO wrong, I only watch those BBC produced programmes on a commercial channel that the BBC gets the advertising revenue for, thus I am paying for what I WANT to watch rather than being forced to pay for the rest of the trash output.

So it's basically that you only want the BBC to produce stuff you want to watch and everyone else can get lost?

The BBC has produced those programmes and they've become popular, they are then sold onto commercial broadcasters. The demand was created by the BBC in the first place as they produced these programmes, showed them and they were popular. Left to the commercial broadcasters you wouldn't get those shows produced, you'd get ITV.

You're also paying and asking people who don't own a TV to pay for programmes you don't watch through the extra cost that's added to the cost of items you buy in the shops, is that fair?

If the liberated BBC poll tax cash goes to the commercial channels in the form of advertising revenue or subscriptions I'll be ecstatic.

You can still vote if you don't pay your licence fee and if what you say came to pass the commercial broadcasters would have nothing to compete with in terms of raising the quality bar and you'd get wall to wall lowest common dominator TV that panders to the greatest number of people.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Product 13

The simple point is, I want to be able to buy a TV without having to fork out extra money every year just to be able to use it, a TV does have other uses ya'know.

If you and others are so confident that the BBC are this all singing all dancing entertainment package and that the British public will be worse off without it, then you would have no problem with it going subscription only.

You want it, you pay for it.

I don't want it, but I still have to pay for it. Is that fair?

You do NOT have to have a licence to OWN a TV.

edit - http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ15/

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

In fact it is not an offence to own a TV without a licence, or to use said TV to watch tapes or DVDs. The actual offence is to watch/record broadcast TV as it is transmitted.

That's interesting. I've always thought it was an offence if you had equipment capable of receiving a transmission.

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by Thomas T

You do NOT have to have a licence to OWN a TV.

edit - http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ15/

But what if I just want to watch the channels I subscribe to and the standard commercial channels? I don't have a choice do I, I must pay or else.

All I want is that choice, why can't I have it?

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Product 13

But what if I just want to watch the channels I subscribe to and the standard commercial channels? I don't have a choice do I, I must pay or else.

All I want is that choice, why can't I have it?

That is different to what you said before. I Was just pointing out a solution to your orginal statement.


You said 'The simple point is, I want to be able to buy a TV without having to fork out extra money every year just to be able to use it, a TV does have other uses ya'know.'

And you don't have to fork out extra money to use it and as you pointed out it does indeed have other uses.

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by Thomas T

That is different to what you said before. I Was just pointing out a solution to your orginal statement.

I know, sorry Thomas. It was just another question I needed to ask.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Product 13

I know, sorry Thomas. It was just another question I needed to ask.

Fair enough

It was pointed out earlier by a poster that the BBC news was biased.

I find it amusing that left-wingers think the BBC news is too right-wing, and right-wingers think the BBC news is too left-wing - bit of dissonance there, don't you think?

[Angua]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Have you actually watched the BBC recently? 3 minute 20sec (ITV standard) commercial breaks between programs, even ads between the news and weather. Programs deliberatly shortened so that you can be bombarded with ads for the BBC rubbish channels that nobody watches. Eastenders and strictly come dancing is reason enough to scrap the BBC. Sitcoms that only bring you situation, no comedy. The technical quality has also gone down the pan.

The ONLY quality part is the natural history unit in Bristol the rest is wall to wall rubbish. The news is SO biased I can't watch it.

Watch a lot of BBC stuff and whilst there may be self promoting adverts between shows (great tea making time) they are not interrupted every 5 minutes for an ad break