Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett - Page 27

papa smurf · 10-01-2010, 10:36

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Originally Posted by Sirius

I have always held the view that the Bnp should not be allowed to march.

This march has me very annoyed. I have a son who has done 2 tours in Afghanistan and thankfully he has come home both times in one piece, Four of his friends have not been so lucky and i would have been horrified if protesters had been allowed to do what this group threatened to do when they were repatriated,

I went to a coming home parade in chivner where there was a contingent of people calling the boys baby killers and other things it was a good job the police were there because the lads family would have ripped them a new a i can tell you.

I cannot stand it when people are more interested in letting things happen on the off chance that turning your back on them will make some form of statement it will not they will just continue to carry on because the press and the papers will cover it. I have never had any time for those that think doing nothing will make the bogey man go away it does not. Sometimes you have to stand up to bullies or groups like this who would have turned up at wootton bassett if we had not stood up to them.

"All that it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

i think with freedom of speech comes a great responsibility [to use it wisely]

freedom of speech imo is not an automatic right to preach hatred and incite violence ,that is a mockery of British values ..islam 4 uk have used it to further their cause and spread their message of hate ,that is not freedom of speech[as it was intended to be ] its inciting civil unrest imo , and im glad it will be banned as should any group who overstep the mark.

10-01-2010, 10:37

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Originally Posted by Sirius

I have always held the view that the Bnp should not be allowed to march.

This march has me very annoyed. I have a son who has done 2 tours in Afghanistan and thankfully he has come home both times in one piece, Four of his friends have not been so lucky and i would have been horrified if protesters had been allowed to do what this group threatened to do when they were repatriated,

I went to a coming home parade in chivner where there was a contingent of people calling the boys baby killers and other things it was a good job the police were there because the lads family would have ripped them a new a i can tell you.

I cannot stand it when people are more interested in letting things happen on the off chance that turning your back on them will make some form of statement it will not they will just continue to carry on because the press and the papers will cover it. I have never had any time for those that think doing nothing will make the bogey man go away it does not. Sometimes you have to stand up to bullies or groups like this who would have turned up at wootton bassett if we had not stood up to them.

but how far do you go in banning groups you don't like ,at what point does freedom of speech and democracy turn into a dictatorship were only those that we agree with are allowed to speak .I agree 100% that this group is wrong in their proposed actions ,i don't agree with it but it is legal the same as calling the queen a sponger of the state or gordon brown useless ,some people would say that is treason but because we are a free country we allow this .Maybe some of muslim bashers on this forum should get out of the dark ages and learn to accept the fact that other people have differing views

**Chris** · 10-01-2010, 10:37

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Originally Posted by Moldova

What I posted above in 387 is reason enough.

No, I don't think it is enough. I'm not looking for your reasons for banning this march specifically. What I'm after is a set of criteria that you would use, generally, for deciding which marches are allowable, and which should be banned.

If you establish that some marches should not be allowed to happen, you have to have a set of rules in place so that decisions on banning and allowing are always fair and reasonable.

What I want to know is, do you have such a fair set of rules in mind, or does this just boil down to 'I don't like it, so I think it should be banned'?

Sirius · 10-01-2010, 10:42

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Originally Posted by Chris

Could I ask all those who think this march should be banned, to provide, in as much detail as possible, the criteria by which they would rule what is allowable and what should be banned? Where exactly do you draw your line?

Chris

If this march had been anywhere else i would have said let them march. The problem is the location of that march that has me annoyed. This march was intended to sour the memory of our lads. Every time there would have been a repatriation after this the memory of that march would be on people minds, The press would have shown excerpts from it, correct me if i am wrong but to have had this march they would have had to bookin advance the date and time for the march, what would have happened should that date have been agreed and then one of the fallen was to be flown in on the same day.

I for one feel that ultra right wing groups should be stopped from marching in this country because of the costs for policing, the disruption to the area the march is in and the damage that occurs sometimes when these marches get out of hand.

Islam4uuk or what ever they will next be called is in my eyes a ultra right wing group and therefor should not be allowed to march.

Its not often i take a stance like this but this march in particular has me very very annoyed and upset.

Peter_ · 10-01-2010, 10:43

That is the reason I feel it should be banned is because the intention is to cause distress and get themselves good media coverage with the added incentive of a possible counter protest with some rioting thrown in for good measure.

The town has been deliberately chosen because of the coverage given by the media over the way the town mourns the returning fallen servicemen.

If they feel that this is a necessary march why not try doing a similar march as I have stated in a previous post through a garrison town.

I stand with Sirius on this matter and believe that it should not be allowed due to the location chosen.

Sirius · 10-01-2010, 10:46

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Originally Posted by marty

.Maybe some of muslim bashers on this forum should get out of the dark ages and learn to accept the fact that other people have differing views

I am not and never have been a muslim basher or racist. I find the whole concept of racism disgusting and has no place in our society

**Maggy** · 10-01-2010, 10:46

I'm sick of being called a do gooder,hand wringer or the roll over and surrender brigade or any other epitaph just because I have a different view on democracy.

What I am up for is defending democracy and freedom of speech for ALL..not just the vigilante right wing bully boy's view of democracy.

There, how do you like the name calling?

You are allowed your opinions under the rights afforded to you in a democracy and under the right to freedom of speech.Thankfully you are on no position to enforce them.

Sirius · 10-01-2010, 10:46

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

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Peter_ · 10-01-2010, 10:49

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10-01-2010, 10:49

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Chris

If this march had been anywhere else i would have said let them march. The problem is the location of that march that has me annoyed. This march was intended to sour the memory of our lads. Every time there would have been a repatriation after this the memory of that march would be on people minds, The press would have shown excerpts from it, correct me if i am wrong but to have had this march they would have had to bookin advance the date and time for the march, what would have happened should that date have been agreed and then one of the fallen was to be flown in on the same day.

I for one feel that ultra right wing groups should be stopped from marching in this country because of the costs for policing, the disruption to the area the march is in and the damage that occurs sometimes when these marches get out of hand.

Islam4uuk or what ever they will next be called is in my eyes a ultra right wing group and therefor should not be allowed to march.

Its not often i take a stance like this but this march in particular has me very very annoyed and upset.

what on earth makes you think that the authorities would repatriate any soldier on the day of the march ?

Peter_ · 10-01-2010, 10:51

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

These may prove handy.

Thanks

Sirius · 10-01-2010, 10:51

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Originally Posted by martyh

what on earth makes you think that the authorities would repatriate any soldier on the day of the march ?

The problem is that the date for the march would have to have been agreed in advance however the repatriations are random if you get what i mean. They can set a date for the march but the same cannot be said for a repatriation ??

The families of the fallen should be able to have there family member return quickly and not be held up my this type of march. Hope that makes sense

I have said they can have this march for all i care but not at wootton basset

10-01-2010, 10:55

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Originally Posted by Sirius

the problem is that the date for the march would have to have been agreed in advance however the repatriations are random if you get what i mean. They can set a date for the march but the same cannot be said for a repatriation ??

With respect, the date of the march is known in advance, compared to the death of one of our lads/girls, so any repatriation could happen the day after.
Let them have their march, at the same time allowing as many people and ex military to get down to wootton Bassett and make use of their 500 coffins they say they will carry.

10-01-2010, 10:55

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Originally Posted by Sirius

I am not and never have been a muslim basher or racist. I find the whole concept of racism disgusting and has no place in our society

how would you react if a group of christians decided to march through WB to object to the troops being in afghanistan?

**Maggy** · 10-01-2010, 10:55

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Originally Posted by Sirius

The problem is that the date for the march would have to have been agreed in advance however the repatriations are random if you get what i mean. They can set a date for the march but the same cannot be said for a repatriation ??

The families of the fallen should be able to have there family member return quickly and not be held up my this type of march. Hope that makes sense

Perfectly reasonable and I'm sure that this would be thought about carefully by all concerned especially the PTB who can possibly hold back or speed up repatriations to suit themselves.