Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett

[buckleb]

Originally Posted by SMG

Jesus wept.

You need to read this thread again, most of what your saying here has already been covered & answered in detail. However, in answer to your question

"Terrorist groups? Which terrorist groups would they be then"?

Just Google this boys name, & read awhile. Or, have a look here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...y-profile.html

I've read pretty much all of the thread thanks. None of my points has been answered at all. I've seen exactly what I wrote above.

I repeat, which terrorist group wants to protest? It's a simple question.

[SMG]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Ok prove to me that internment in NI actually worked?That it actually achieved anything beyond making martyrs and encouraging young Catholics to join the IRA..

First of all, I served in NI, & I don't need to prove jack to you. I have had many a debate with MR ANGRY over this issue, he, is one of the few people who understands the NI situation.

Second, NI is not relevant to this thread.

You introduced the "Internment" camp post to further your own point.

You interpreted my post incorrectly, then twisted it to suit you own point of view.

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Originally Posted by buckleb

I've read pretty much all of the thread thanks. None of my points has been answered at all. I've seen exactly what I wrote above.

I repeat, which terrorist group wants to protest? It's a simple question.

From the link:

But he later embraced radical Islamism and co-founded the extremist organisation al-Muhajiroun, working with the Islamist militant leader Omar Bakri Muhammad.

Since the organisation was banned in 2004 under anti-terrorist legislation, the married father-of-four has been embroiled in controversy on numerous occasions.


Heres another web page for you.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5889411.ece

Originally Posted by SMG

A protest by members of terrorist groups, appeasement.

You seem to think that their right to protest not being squashed is akin to Chamberlain appeasing Hitler?

That is a a rather desperate attempt is it not? It bears no resemblance to appeasement. We are not giving them anything, we are letting them protest which is their right by default. Hitler wasn't 'protesting' was he?

[SMG]

Originally Posted by Damien

You seem to think that their right to protest not being squashed is akin to Chamberlain appeasing Hitler?

That is a a rather desperate attempt is it not? It bears no resemblance to appeasement. We are not giving them anything, we are letting them protest which is their right by default. Hitler wasn't 'protesting' was he?

An appeaser is a man who feeds a crocodile, & hopes it will eat him last.

[buckleb]

Originally Posted by SMG

From the link:

But he later embraced radical Islamism and co-founded the extremist organisation al-Muhajiroun, working with the Islamist militant leader Omar Bakri Muhammad.

Since the organisation was banned in 2004 under anti-terrorist legislation, the married father-of-four has been embroiled in controversy on numerous occasions.

Islam4UK have indicated they want to stage a protest, not al-Muhajiroun which, as I'm sure you know, is a banned organization. One can argue about the similarities, but they are different (as Islam4UK is careful to stay within the law).

Islam4UK is not a banned organization and, despite having objectionable views, it's members have the same rights and privileges as anyone else in the UK. That includes free speech.

As I said above, the almost hysterical over-reaction to the Islam4UK publicity stunt is almost beyond belief. It's played straight into Choudary's hands of course, but far more important than that, it has caused British citizens to, effectively, call for a suspension of the right to free-speech and the setting up of internment camps/penal colonies for citizens who say things 'we' don't like.

Nobody in this thread has answered any of those points. There's been replies, but that's not the same.

I'm very disappointed in the reaction. I thought we were better than that.

[SMG]

Originally Posted by buckleb

Islam4UK have indicated they want to stage a protest, not al-Muhajiroun which, as I'm sure you know, is a banned organization. One can argue about the similarities, but they are different (as Islam4UK is careful to stay within the law).

Islam4UK is not a banned organization and, despite having objectionable views, it's members have the same rights and privileges as anyone else in the UK. That includes free speech.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5889411.ece

Experts say that al-Muhajiroun continues to exist, in effect, because its supporters simply set up new groups, some overt and others covert, which are not yet proscribed. One such group, Islam for the UK, which praised yesterday's demonstration with a lengthy statement on its website, is being run by Mohammed's former al-Muhajiroun partner Anjem Choudary. The Home Office said today that it was monitoring all organisations to ascertain whether they support the glorification of terrorism, and whether they should be proscribed

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Originally Posted by buckleb

and the setting up of internment camps/penal colonies for citizens who say things 'we' don't like.

Please post the link to this statement.

[buckleb]

Originally Posted by SMG

Please post the link to this statement.

This seems pretty clear to me, and was the reason I actually replied to the thread.

Originally Posted by SMG

Yep. We cant deport them to anywhere else. No one will take em. We have islands, some deserted, which are British territory, how long do you thing these morons would last in the Falklands, you think its cold here??

Take the benefits off these people & put them in tented camps. Better than I got when I went. Better than our troops get most places. Let them chant & march as much as they want, Im sniggering just picturing these boys trudging the moors.

The people of the Falklands wont take the kind of crap we take. They know what its like to be over run with "Undesirables".


A protest by members of terrorist groups, appeasement.

My bold

[SMG]

Sorry pal I cant debate with you anymore.

[Jimmy-J]

Oh the nerve of it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ef4Y...eature=channel

Originally Posted by SMG

First of all, I served in NI, & I don't need to prove jack to you. I have had many a debate with MR ANGRY over this issue, he, is one of the few people who understands the NI situation.

Second, NI is not relevant to this thread.

You introduced the "Internment" camp post to further your own point.

You interpreted my post incorrectly, then twisted it to suit you own point of view.

Your service in NI should have given you a very good idea that internment had the opposite result to the one intended.Also your suggestion of deporting British born Muslims to deserted islands/the Falklands in case they are would be terrorists seems pretty akin to internment to me and therefore the discussion of NI internment camps are VERY RELEVANT to your assertion that we treat British citizens this way.

So if I interpreted your post 'incorrectly' would you kindly explain to me why I am incorrect in my interpretation?

[danielf]

I don't think he's debating anymore

Originally Posted by danielf

I don't think he's debating anymore

Debating? This was debating?

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Debating? This was debating?

CF style...

As this thread is going no where but completely off topic for the most part now it seems like a good point to cease participating as i think all positions are clearly known and not about to change so we will just have to see what happens cya all .

[SMG]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Your service in NI should have given you a very good idea that internment had the opposite result to the one intended.Also your suggestion of deporting British born Muslims to deserted islands/the Falklands in case they are would be terrorists seems pretty akin to internment to me and therefore the discussion of NI internment camps are VERY RELEVANT to your assertion that we treat British citizens this way.

So if I interpreted your post 'incorrectly' would you kindly explain to me why I am incorrect in my interpretation?

Internment is the imprisonment or confinement of people, commonly in large groups, without trial.

Explain to me where I suggested any form of imprisonment for these anti British fascists??

I said, & I quote:

Originally Posted by SMG

As far as deportation goes, my criteria would be:

Any person, born here or not, any race or religion, who is a member of a known, banned terrorist organisation, who openly preaches death & destruction to the UK, & incites others to kill British troops, should be stripped of their citizenship, & deported to a British held territory, perhaps the Falklands.

Originally Posted by SMG

Take the benefits off these people & put them in tented camps. Better than I got when I went. Better than our troops get most places. Let them chant & march as much as they want,

If your interpretation of a "Tented camp" is an an internment camp, you are quite wrong. A hell of a lot of free people in the world live in "tented" camps. That is why your interpretation is wrong.

We can not deport them to anywhere but a British held territory. I mentioned the Falklands because I know the place. Bleak. Find somewhere else if you like.

I never mentioned, or implied these people would be prisoners, on the contrary, they would be free to preach to whoever they want, to live free as a bird, to enjoy their lives as much as they want, pray 500 times a day, wail as much as they like, do whatever they want, stand on a soap box & rant as much as they like, march up & down the mountains whenever they want, I would give them all the freedom they want.

They would be free to move to any country that would take them.
But without a british passport.