Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett

[danielf]

While I do agree that people should be allowed to protest no matter how odious one may regard their opinions, protests can be banned to protect public order. I don't think this approach should be taken lightly, but in this particular instance I'd be inclined to agree. It's like freedom of speech really. As much as I value freedom of speech, it does not extend to shouting 'fire' in a full cinema.

Having said that. I don't think threats to disturb the peace if the march would not be banned are very helpful either...

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Hi Russ, to answer the question is that, this problem is about the extremists that will cause problems on the march, with the coffins through Wooton, from what l have read is that the BNP are planning on closing roads going into it.

It is certain that with the heated debate going on and the likelyhood of bloodshed, you will have various people wether it will be muslims, christians whoever, that will cause problems, then IF there is a ban, then they should be arrested and prosecuted and IF they are on a visa deport them, does this answer your question

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Mr Angry, Let me outline the point of 'there own country' If muslim extremist cause problems, and they were born here, then surely there own family must know what is going on, and should be prepared to stop this stupidy.

There are many muslim families in this country that are grateful for the help and support this country gives them, l have no problem with that, what my point is, if that person comes from a family that holds the same view as the protestor, then that is it.

We have to draw the line, this is why there are so many problems in this country, and the government just sits there and allows it to carry on,

No Arthur, again with all due respect, your point in relation to muslims was quite clear and unequivocal "if they were born in this country, still deport them."

Your statement that "There are many muslim families in this country that are grateful for the help and support this country gives them" is indicitive of your mindset. This is a misperception that you and several others on this board appear to be suffering from in that you (jointly) are feeding into and perpetuating the concept of all muslims (or the vast majority thereof) as being "benefit spongers".

For your information a very sizable number of the muslim population in the UK are in employment and not in receipt of benefits.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Hi Russ, to answer the question is that, this problem is about the extremists that will cause problems on the march, with the coffins through Wooton, from what l have read is that the BNP are planning on closing roads going into it.

It is certain that with the heated debate going on and the likelyhood of bloodshed, you will have various people wether it will be muslims, christians whoever, that will cause problems, then IF there is a ban, then they should be arrested and prosecuted and IF they are on a visa deport them, does this answer your question

Not really. You said "any Muslim" breaking the law should be deported. I'm just wondering why you think followers of that religion should be deported and not say Christians, Sikhs, Hindis etc

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I am not going to get into the religious bit, this thread started that a Islamic group plan to march through Wooton.

NO matter who they are and they break the law they should be punished, IF there are here on visa, that is it.

[Russ]

You went in to the religious bit earlier when you said "any Muslim" breaking the law should be deported.

Unless you're under the impression that all Muslims in the UK are here on a visa.

Sorry for the late response Forever yes i think marches of that nature also need to be stopped. In one instance in this country we talk about getting tough with bullying and intimidation and on the other hand we allow it to happen if it is done in a certain way. I think any protest or demonstration that doesn't have a relevent point and isn't backed up by something other then one twisted persons view and opinion shouldn't be allowed.

In the case we are debating they are not simply planning to protest\demonstrate they are going to talk about things they have no knowledge of smearing an entire group of people they despise and then have the audacity to contact relatives trying to spread their disgusting views in their time of grief. I am all for freedom's and rights but they have to come with a responsibility and an acceptence by all of us that choose to exercise those rights of how they will affect other people.

At no time has the british military ever deliberately targetted civilians in either iraq or afghanistan or employed any covert policy of shoot to kill where civilians are concerned and for any group to say otherwise with absolutely no proof or facts to back it up in the place where we most honour our service people should simply not be allowed.

Arthur you did say "muslims that break the law should be deported" and i don't personally agree with that in anyway but having said it you do have to answer why there is in your mind one rule for muslims and another for whatever other religion if your going to bring religion into punishment for criminal offences.

While i do not have a large group of friends that are muslim the one's i do have are appalled that this is even being considered, they feel this is an insult too far by a group they do not feel has ever or will ever represent them but that group will go and claim to represent muslims they have no right too another damn good reason to ban this march.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

Yes of course if someone breaks the law they ought to be punished but why whould the punishment for Muslims be deportation? Why should Muslims get a different punishment from Christians?

What about us non muslim and non christians?

Depends how you look at it and what law they have broken. if it's one that is against the British (or the country they are in) then you could deport them then?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Hi Russ, The way this world is going, you don't know who's on a visa and who ain't.

All l am saying is that anyone who breaks the law, should be punished, IF they are on a visa, then they should go, if they live here and born here, then something has to be done to sort the problem out, so theye don't do it again- otherwise it goes in a circle.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Hi Russ, The way this world is going, you don't know who's on a visa and who ain't.

All l am saying is that anyone who breaks the law, should be punished, IF they are on a visa, then they should go, if they live here and born here, then something has to be done to sort the problem out, so theye don't do it again- otherwise it goes in a circle.

So you mean to deport some Muslims who break the law as opposed to all?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

This is my final comment.

WHOEVER breaks the law, has to be punished full stop.

[SMG]

Originally Posted by Damien

Exactly what are you referring too?

Originally Posted by Nomadking

Chamberlain was British prime minister between 1937 and 1940, and is closely associated with the policy of appeasement towards Nazi Germany.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

It's such a slur to say or infer that he was a Nazi sympathiser..

Re read the posts again Maggy, no one said he was a sympathiser.

Damian, to allow these terrorist fanatics to preach their hatred is simple appeasement. Chamberlain was a man of peace who negotiated with Hitler & returned with an assurance of "Peace in our time". Have a read here & see what his "Appeasement" allowed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/histori..._neville.shtml

These Fanatical, Radical Muslim organisations are no different to Hitlers Nazi party, they want to force their will upon free peoples, use force whenever necessary, & are prepared to kill innocent people just to further their aims.


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[Mr Angry]

Ah ha, Godwin's law.

I was wondering when that'd pop up.

[SMG]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

No Arthur, again with all due respect, your point in relation to muslims was quite clear and unequivocal "if they were born in this country, still deport them."

Your statement that "There are many muslim families in this country that are grateful for the help and support this country gives them" is indicitive of your mindset. This is a misperception that you and several others on this board appear to be suffering from in that you (jointly) are feeding into and perpetuating the concept of all muslims (or the vast majority thereof) as being "benefit spongers".

For your information a very sizable number of the muslim population in the UK are in employment and not in receipt of benefits.

I don't believe Arthur intends to deport just anyone, & no one is saying all Muslims are sicko`s.

As far as deportation goes, my criteria would be:

Any person, born here or not, any race or religion, who is a member of a known, banned terrorist organisation, who openly preaches death & destruction to the UK, & incites others to kill British troops, should be stripped of their citizenship, & deported to a British held territory, perhaps the Falklands.

Even Wales at a pinch, Russ can sort em out.


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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Ah ha, Godwin's law.

I was wondering when that'd pop up.

Grow up. Nazis were mentioned way earlier in the thread.

Wales?

Wouldn't that be classed as cruel and inhumane?

Send them to Glasgow - that'll sort 'em out.