Anger After British Man Executed In China

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

There is a very good chance that he had schizophrenia to. The more I hear about this case the worse it gets...

which further re-enforces the question as to why his family, who stated they first thought he had a mental issue in 2001, did not seek medical advice at any stage between then and him being held in China on a death penalty... it just seems more and more like a last chance attempt of aquital for a condemned man.

[Kymmy]

Can I remind members that everyone has a right to an opinion, calling them silly names for that opinion will only get you into trouble

[SMG]

As far as I am aware, no medical evidence was brought forward at, or before the trial, by either family, government, or any other group.

Only when he was tried & convicted was the issue of mental illness brought up. In that light, it appears the issue was one of a last minute attempt to halt the proceedings.

Can anyone enlighten me if this is correct.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by SMG

As far as I am aware, no medical evidence was brought forward at, or before the trial, by either family, government, or any other group.

Only when he was tried & convicted was the issue of mental illness brought up. In that light, it appears the issue was one of a last minute attempt to halt the proceedings.

Can anyone enlighten me if this is correct.

from what i have read that seems to be the case.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

from what i have read that seems to be the case.

The case history, as reported by Jonathan Watts, clearly states that concerns about Mr Shaikhs mental aptitude had been ignored prior to, during and after his first 30 minute "trial".

Obviously in order for these concerns to have been ignored they would first have to be raised - ergo one can safely assume that the mental health issues were not a "last minute / last ditch" attempt on the part of his family, campaigners, the Foreign Office and Gordon Brown amongst others.

The text of Mr Watts's reportage is as follows;

"Why didn't the judges accept requests by the defence that Shaikh be evaluated to assess claims that he had bipolar disorder and delusional psychosis?

This is the question that will hang over this case and do the most damage to relations between China and the UK. Under Chinese law, punishments can be reduced or voided if criminals are unable to recognise or control their misconduct. Yet this was ignored during Shaikh's initial 30-minute trial. At a second trial, judges were said to have laughed at the erratic 50-minute speech given by Shaikh, but they refused requests by UK consulate-appointed lawyers for a mental examination. By contrast, an American man who killed his Chinese wife a few years ago was given a reduced sentence because the lower court accept that he was a paranoid-schizophrenic. By the time this became an issue in Shaikh's case, it may have been too high-profile for the authorities to do anything without looking like they were backing down."

[SMG]

Apart from requests to have the guy examined, did they present any physical evidence? Did they present his medical notes, or any doctors notes.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by SMG

Apart from requests to have the guy examined, did they present any physical evidence? Did they present his medical notes, or any doctors notes.

Physical evidence yes - they presented Mr Shaikh. The submission of medical records and or doctors notes at that juncture was a moot point as the court had already refused to comply with their own law insofar as they had refused requests by the UK consulate lawyers to have him medically examined with a view to his pleading insanity on the grounds of mental instability. Why else do you think his lawyers might have wanted him examined?

Again "Under Chinese law, punishments can be reduced or voided if criminals are unable to recognise or control their misconduct. Yet this was ignored during Shaikh's initial 30-minute trial".

You seem intent on peddling the false premise that the mental illness question was factored in "Only when he was tried & convicted" when quite clearly - according to Reprieve, his appointed lawyers and independant observers such as Watts - that was not the case.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

He was executed by lethal injection, quite an important fact if you are trying to present details of the case as fact...


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But I answered with this afterwards.

Originally Posted by Moldova

They should execute more and maybe it will stop drug mules or maybe it will not.

To be honest I do not care how he was executed as they should do it more often.

So this guy conviniently showed signs of mental illness that he hadn't shown in all the years previous to getting caught drug running in a country that executes drug runners. Damn those nasty little chinese for not wasting time and money fully investigating whether a ******* was genuinely mentally ill or hard to believe i know but faking it to escape his death sentence.

Fact is he went to china of his own accord no one forced him to go unless someone on here knows different and while there he by whatever means ends up with 4 kilo's of smack that some nasty person tricked him into carrying for them even though they were going the same place as him.

Come on seriously this is a comedy of excuses that the chinese didn't buy so they executed him in accordance with their laws. Is the chinese judicial system faultless no but then most people even some really stupid one's adopt the old thing of do no wrong and don't believe strange people at airports and have no reason to worry about such things.

Also getting sick and tired of hearing convinience paper brits suddenly catching national pride when they go somewhere and do something wrong so the next time it happens i would like to see the UK directing them to whatever embassy that represents the country they were last in.

Which in this case would have been poland. One ******* down lets hope there are more of them then their victims this year forlorn hope but you never know.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

So this guy conviniently showed signs of mental illness that he hadn't shown in all the years previous to getting caught drug running in a country that executes drug runners.

Rizzy - try reading up on some of the case history.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

little chinese

Fascinating insight into your mindset.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

convinience (sic) paper brits

Followed by another.

Mask slipped much lately?

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

So this guy conviniently showed signs of mental illness that he hadn't shown in all the years previous to getting caught drug running in a country that executes drug runners.

And you know this, how? Perhaps you are using a similar research technique that many on here have employed?

Damn those nasty little chinese for not wasting time and money fully investigating whether a ******* was genuinely mentally ill or hard to believe i know but faking it to escape his death sentence.

So, you don't believe in fair trials then?

Fact is he went to china of his own accord no one forced him to go unless someone on here knows different and while there he by whatever means ends up with 4 kilo's of smack that some nasty person tricked him into carrying for them even though they were going the same place as him.

Sounds about right, according to his defence.

Come on seriously this is a comedy of excuses that the chinese didn't buy so they executed him in accordance with their laws. Is the chinese judicial system faultless no but then most people even some really stupid one's adopt the old thing of do no wrong and don't believe strange people at airports and have no reason to worry about such things.

So, you don't believe in fair trails then?

Also getting sick and tired of hearing convinience paper brits suddenly catching national pride when they go somewhere and do something wrong so the next time it happens i would like to see the UK directing them to whatever embassy that represents the country they were last in.

Aah, perhaps this is the real basis for your opinion. Perhaps you do believe in fair trials, but only if they are "Ethnically British?"

What evidence am i missing there are no medical records for this man saying he had a mental illness prior to his trip or arrest in china and if he developed a mental illness after being arrestted that makes no difference. Please being bi polar or schizophrenic doesn't make you a moron and many people manage those conditions day in and day out without using it as an excuse for their actions even when it may well be the reason for their actions. This guy got caught and then played a card, it didn't work and they executed him as was their right to do given he was in china at the time of his arrest breaking their laws.

Attack me and try and make more out of what i said if you want this man doesn't and didn't deserve any sympathy and won't get any from me. As for me being against fair trials oh give it a rest, you go to another nation and break the law there don't expect to be treated as you would in the UK it's the way the majority approach these things and only an arrogant few would expect the protests from this country to cut any ice with another.

As for mask slipping no as there is no mask to slip i have every sympathy with people who by no fault of their own find themselves in trouble but have little time for people that by their own actions get into trouble. One minute on here we have people moaning about how arrogant the UK is telling this country and that country how to do things and when it suits them it is ok for us to lecture another sovereign state on how they deal with crime in their country. Not every country is a walk over for criminals like the UK has become since "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" labour came to power and many country's are better off for it when will we learn.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

What evidence am i missing there are no medical records for this man saying he had a mental illness prior to his trip or arrest in china and if he developed a mental illness after being arrestted that makes no difference. Please being bi polar or schizophrenic doesn't make you a moron and many people manage those conditions day in and day out without using it as an excuse for their actions even when it may well be the reason for their actions. This guy got caught and then played a card, it didn't work and they executed him as was their right to do given he was in china at the time of his arrest breaking their laws.

Attack me and try and make more out of what i said if you want this man doesn't and didn't deserve any sympathy and won't get any from me. As for me being against fair trials oh give it a rest, you go to another nation and break the law there don't expect to be treated as you would in the UK it's the way the majority approach these things and only an arrogant few would expect the protests from this country to cut any ice with another.

As for mask slipping no as there is no mask to slip i have every sympathy with people who by no fault of their own find themselves in trouble but have little time for people that by their own actions get into trouble. One minute on here we have people moaning about how arrogant the UK is telling this country and that country how to do things and when it suits them it is ok for us to lecture another sovereign state on how they deal with crime in their country. Not every country is a walk over for criminals like the UK has become since "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" labour came to power and many country's are better off for it when will we learn.

Fantastic.

A well rationalised and factually researched riposte based on the evidence to hand - well done.

You are a credit to yourself.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

So this guy conviniently showed signs of mental illness that he hadn't shown in all the years previous to getting caught drug running in a country that executes drug runners. Damn those nasty little chinese for not wasting time and money fully investigating whether a ******* was genuinely mentally ill or hard to believe i know but faking it to escape his death sentence.

Fact is he went to china of his own accord no one forced him to go unless someone on here knows different and while there he by whatever means ends up with 4 kilo's of smack that some nasty person tricked him into carrying for them even though they were going the same place as him.

Come on seriously this is a comedy of excuses that the chinese didn't buy so they executed him in accordance with their laws. Is the chinese judicial system faultless no but then most people even some really stupid one's adopt the old thing of do no wrong and don't believe strange people at airports and have no reason to worry about such things.

Also getting sick and tired of hearing convinience paper brits suddenly catching national pride when they go somewhere and do something wrong so the next time it happens i would like to see the UK directing them to whatever embassy that represents the country they were last in.

Which in this case would have been poland. One ******* down lets hope there are more of them then their victims this year forlorn hope but you never know.

Post of the month ^^^^^^

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Nidge

Post of the month ^^^^^^

Agreed