Jack Straw "sceptical" about overworked police

Tezcatlipoca · 31-12-2009, 19:57

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8436110.stm

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Originally Posted by BBC News

Police have criticised comments by Jack Straw who said he was "sceptical" when officers claimed they were overworked or spent hours filling in forms.

He told the BBC some enjoyed being in the station "in the warm" while others finished forms quicker "because they want to get out and catch criminals".

The justice secretary said it was often due to leadership in different forces.

Police groups said the comments were "irresponsible and inflammatory" and "not constructive".

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**Chris** · 31-12-2009, 20:02

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Originally Posted by Matt D

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You'll have a long wait, he's down the station with a nice hot mug of cocoa and his feet propped up on a mountain of forms that he's planning to spend the next fortnight filling in ...

Sirius · 31-12-2009, 20:03

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Originally Posted by Matt D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8436110.stm

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Admin edit (Chris): Offensive comments removed

Ravenheart · 31-12-2009, 20:05

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Jack Straw what a complete

I was about to post something similar but it might have fell foul of the naughty words filter

**Chris** · 31-12-2009, 20:08

Please remember this is a family forum and watch your language. Just because a certain word isn't filtered, doesn't mean you can use it in an offensive context.

Ravenheart · 31-12-2009, 20:16

Mind you he wasn't in their good books in 2001 either

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1333142.stm

Sirius · 31-12-2009, 20:20

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Originally Posted by Chris

Please remember this is a family forum and watch your language. Just because a certain word isn't filtered, doesn't mean you can use it in an offensive context.

Sorry Chris

Mr_love_monkey · 01-01-2010, 13:33

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He told the BBC some enjoyed being in the station "in the warm" while others finished forms quicker "because they want to get out and catch criminals".

I think the important word there is 'some' - I think like any job, there are good and bad people, those that take the mick and those that want to do their job well. I'm not denying there is lots of paper work, but I'm sure some do drag it out longer than needed - same as some people in my office will spend lots of time doing admin rather than real work

Paddy1 · 01-01-2010, 14:59

He's (JS) get his logic completely backwards anyway. It would be the ones who enjoy being "in the warm" that wouldn't be complaining and the ones who want to get out there that are doing the complaining.

Stuart · 01-01-2010, 15:26

Just thought I'd have some fun with this..

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Jack Straw has criticised comments by the Police who said they were "sceptical" when MPs claimed they were overworked or spent hours debating in parliament.

They told the BBC some enjoyed being in the commons "in the warm" while others finished debates quicker "because they want to get out and help constituents".

Derek · 01-01-2010, 21:24

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Originally Posted by Matt D

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Ah Jack Straw, what a guy. And by that you can switch the word 'guy' for your favourite highly offensive swear word.

Yeah dead lazy, thats why the prisons are deserted and prisoners get kept in for far longer than their original sentence.

Only takes an hour to fill in the case file, well some cops are better at paperwork than others. Just as some MP's are less corrupt, sorry better at accounting, than others and don't try to claim more back in expenses than they paid out.
(At this point I should point out that the Scottish system is different and I have limited information on the paperwork needed for England and Wales. I should point out that the system used in Scotland has gone from taking 20 minutes to almost 2 hours in the last four years)

In the warm. Yep on a collapsing bridge during floods is a really warm place to be.

At the end of the day his government have brought in a ridiculous amount of paperwork and pointless targets which he is now moaning about. The government brought in the National Crime Recording Standards and made detections king and then began moaning when the Police go after easy detections.

I could go on but some of the Police bloggers have summed it up far better than I ever could.

http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com...e-secretaries/
http://pcbloggs.blogspot.com/
http://stressedoutcop.blogspot.com/2...h-of-same.html

Stuart · 02-01-2010, 01:07

But Derek, figures are something the Government can point to and say they are solving crime. The fact the coppers are spending more and more time filling out forms detailing every last detail of what they do, and probably less and less actually helping cut crime, and the fact the the figures the government presents may or may not represent* actual crime statistics is irrelevant..

* I spent years in Exports. I know that the published export figures bore little resemblance to what was happening in the market. I suspect it's the same for most (if not all) government figures.

Osem · 02-01-2010, 16:03

Jack Straw criticising anyone for being insufficiently productive is a classic example of the pot calling the kettle black!

Derek · 04-01-2010, 18:01

A nice piece in the sun today regarding this. Seeing some of you burst into flames if you pick up a copy of that particular newspaper here is a link to it.

http://inspectorgadget.files.wordpre...04-01-2010.jpg

Escapee · 04-01-2010, 19:49

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Originally Posted by Derek S

Ah Jack Straw, what a guy. And by that you can switch the word 'guy' for your favourite highly offensive swear word.

Yeah dead lazy, thats why the prisons are deserted and prisoners get kept in for far longer than their original sentence.

Only takes an hour to fill in the case file, well some cops are better at paperwork than others. Just as some MP's are less corrupt, sorry better at accounting, than others and don't try to claim more back in expenses than they paid out.
(At this point I should point out that the Scottish system is different and I have limited information on the paperwork needed for England and Wales. I should point out that the system used in Scotland has gone from taking 20 minutes to almost 2 hours in the last four years)

In the warm. Yep on a collapsing bridge during floods is a really warm place to be.

At the end of the day his government have brought in a ridiculous amount of paperwork and pointless targets which he is now moaning about. The government brought in the National Crime Recording Standards and made detections king and then began moaning when the Police go after easy detections.

I could go on but some of the Police bloggers have summed it up far better than I ever could.

http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com...e-secretaries/
http://pcbloggs.blogspot.com/
http://stressedoutcop.blogspot.com/2...h-of-same.html

I don't know if you benefit in Scotland from all the extra paperwork as they do in England/Wales. One of my work colleagues has a brother in an English force, if he wants a few extra hours overtime he will look for someone to arrest close to the end of his shift. He knows that the processing time and completing the paperwork will give him an extra 3 or 4 hours overtime.