Anger After British Man Executed In China

[Mr Angry]

If either of you (nomadking or Bender) dared to look beyond what has been spoonfed to you you would discover that Akmal Shaikh himself denied that he suffered from a mental illness (the one thing that might have saved him).

nomadking - the correct factual context is that Dr Schaapveld said it could have been either ..but the fact was, whether it was bipolar or schizophrenia, he was 99% certain that Shaikh was suffering from a mental disorder.

[Derek]

Oh great. A thread encompassing the Death Penalty and having a go at foreigners. If someone says that he didn't pay for his TV license or was only killed due to his religion I'll have to go and lie down somewhere dark till everything calms down.

Originally Posted by Chris

On the contrary, if there was any suspicion of a mental health issue it would have been thoroughly investigated and if necessary, taken into account at the relevant point (whether that be while assessing culpability, or in sentencing).

And funnily enough a great number of people who are up for sentencing do claim to have undiagnosed mental conditions which are normally taken at face value when submitted to the court by the defence.

I've mixed feelings, the guy obviously wasn't quite right, whether he wasn't right enough not to know what he was doing or that carrying 4 kilos of smack into China was a really bad idea isn't for me to say.
At the end of the day their country, their rules.

Strangely for a Government so opposed to the death penalty I don't remember the same outcry and demands for clemency when a certain dictator of a middle eastern country in between Saudi Arabia and Iran was facing the rope.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Derek S

Strangely for a Government so opposed to the death penalty I don't remember the same outcry and demands for clemency when a certain dictator of a middle eastern country in between Saudi Arabia and Iran was facing the rope.

Ding! ding! We have a winner. Well said.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Derek S

Oh great. A thread encompassing the Death Penalty and having a go at foreigners. If someone says that he didn't pay for his TV license or was only killed due to his religion I'll have to go and lie down somewhere dark till everything calms down.



And funnily enough a great number of people who are up for sentencing do claim to have undiagnosed mental conditions which are normally taken at face value when submitted to the court by the defence.

I've mixed feelings, the guy obviously wasn't quite right, whether he wasn't right enough not to know what he was doing or that carrying 4 kilos of smack into China was a really bad idea isn't for me to say.
At the end of the day their country, their rules.

Strangely for a Government so opposed to the death penalty I don't remember the same outcry and demands for clemency when a certain dictator of a middle eastern country in between Saudi Arabia and Iran was facing the rope.

And could his behaviour have been described as completely sane?

[Derek]

Originally Posted by nomadking

And could his behaviour have been described as completely sane?

No. Mind you my personal opinion is someone who murders someone to death isn't quite sane and I've have no qualms about them being put to death (after the relevant trials obviously)

At the risk of sounding callous he was a fruitloop. We'll never know if he was in the harmless eccentric side of fruitloopery or the howling at the moon and drinking paint side.
If he survived for 53 years without being diagnosed with any form of mental illness I'm tempted to believe the extent of the problems might have been exaggerated a little in an attempt to get a reduction in sentence.

He trafficked drugs into an anti drug country he got caught thefore he deserved the punishment. I don't buy this mental health issue thing. He knew what he was doing in everyway. Wasn't he a Muslim?? I thought Muslims were against drugs?? Oh I forgot they are against them but they'll sell you them.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

its all irrelevant now he's been executed none of us will ever know his state of mind .

Can I take his place on the Council housing list please??

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Taf

It sounds like he got caught and tried to wriggle out of it.

He didn't suceed.

Justice was done.

Yeah from what little I have heard, I tend to think so to, he was mental enough to think he was going to be a pop star but sane enough to get through over 50 years of life and travel to China. Didn't really like China's responce though, we have every right to question the sentencing of one of our citizens, who do they think they are.

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Originally Posted by martyh

if the defendant was suffering from bi-polar which is quite possible then under chinese law he should not have been executed

I am pretty sure that mental illness isn't taken into account in sentencing. It's relevence is ascertained before guilt is established, sounds bizarre but according to some chap on the radio that's the way it is there.

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

I think people should read this.

Would have liked to have but the links not working anymore, probably those Chinese hackers again

Originally Posted by Nidge

He trafficked drugs into an anti drug country he got caught thefore he deserved the punishment. I don't buy this mental health issue thing. He knew what he was doing in everyway. Wasn't he a Muslim?? I thought Muslims were against drugs?? Oh I forgot they are against them but they'll sell you them.

Wow! most unlike you to say something negative against Muslims.....

Originally Posted by Nidge

Can I take his place on the Council housing list please??

He lived in Poland before he went to China, so feel free.

[webcrawler2050]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Wow! most unlike you to say something negative against Muslims.....



He lived in Poland before he went to China, so feel free.

Now this is getting more wierd in my opinion, whithout sound racist etc etc. If he lived in Poland, how the heck can he be called a Britt? Thats been annoying the heck outta me for days now

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by webcrawler2050

Now this is getting more wierd in my opinion, whithout sound racist etc etc. If he lived in Poland, how the heck can he be called a Britt? Thats been annoying the heck outta me for days now

Born here I presume or a British Passport.

[webcrawler2050]

Originally Posted by Moldova

Born here I presume or a British Passport.

Okay fair enough. I aint saying nothing more.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by webcrawler2050

Okay fair enough. I aint saying nothing more.

I have no idea if that is true but the only conclusion I can think of about his citizenship.

[webcrawler2050]

Originally Posted by Moldova

I have no idea if that is true but the only conclusion I can think of about his citizenship.

Yup, I'm just keeping stum LOL

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Moldova

Born here I presume or a British Passport.

British passport. Born in Pakistan, moved here as a child and also lived in the USA before moving to Poland.

Originally Posted by Derek S

No. Mind you my personal opinion is someone who murders someone to death isn't quite sane and I've have no qualms about them being put to death (after the relevant trials obviously)

At the risk of sounding callous he was a fruitloop. We'll never know if he was in the harmless eccentric side of fruitloopery or the howling at the moon and drinking paint side.
If he survived for 53 years without being diagnosed with any form of mental illness I'm tempted to believe the extent of the problems might have been exaggerated a little in an attempt to get a reduction in sentence.

is there another way to murder someone hehehehehehe