Football : Season 2009/2010 - Page 74

**Damien** · 23-11-2009, 17:29

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I don't think it does, did he say I don't want to work here because of Jews, no, good on him I say, Israel operates an apartheid system and it's about time people in the media spotlight had the balls to say so.

Not every Israeli or Jew supports Israel's policies towards Palestine*. Treating the entire people as one is a recipe for trouble. Imagine an American not wanting to play for a team that contained Iranians or Afghans? Think of all the countries that wouldn't want to play with a team that contained Britons because of the screwed up stuff 'we' have done in the past?

He also doesn't want to play with an Algerian! He is at best xenophobic.

*Personally, although I obviously intensely dislike some of it, I think not all are without merit.

nffc · 23-11-2009, 17:36

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Who he objects to playing with/for because they are Israeli not because they are Jewish, there are loads of Jews in football who aren't Israeli like Juan Pablo Sorin and your own David Pleat who he may well have played with or for without issue.

Pleat doesn't work for Tottenham (sadly, for us).

TheDaddy · 23-11-2009, 17:45

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Originally Posted by punky

So you think that descriminating on the basis that they are Israeli and not Jewish is not racist?

I dont consider him racist considering Israel is made up of more than just Jews and it's the treatment of Arab Israeli's he is making this stance for but you knew that anyway I'd imagine and have resorted to weakest resort possible by using dictionary definitions.

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And anyway, its news to me that Avram Grant and Tal Ben-Haim are solely responsible for Israel's policies for the last 40-odd years. You learn something new every day

Not solely responsible for but if they haven't come out and denounced their government for their actions then they bare some responsibility. You know it'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic that any criticism of that countries policies are shot down amid accusations of racism, even when foreign Jews criticise they are labled as self loathers and the like.

punky · 23-11-2009, 17:55

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I dont consider him racist considering Israel is made up of more than just Jews and it's the treatment of Arab Israeli's he is making this stance for but you knew that anyway I'd imagine and have resorted to weakest resort possible by using dictionary definitions.

Its called evidence. Evidence to prove that are wrong and have not got the faintest idea what you are talking about. That or you are trying to (pathetically) defend your own prejudices. Which one then?

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Not solely responsible for but if they haven't come out and denounced their government for their actions then they bare some responsibility. You know it'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic that any criticism of that countries policies are shot down amid accusations of racism, even when foreign Jews criticise they are labled as self loathers and the like.

More nonsense from you then.

Niles Crane · 23-11-2009, 19:02

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I dont consider him racist considering Israel is made up of more than just Jews and it's the treatment of Arab Israeli's he is making this stance for but you knew that anyway I'd imagine and have resorted to weakest resort possible by using dictionary definitions.

Not solely responsible for but if they haven't come out and denounced their government for their actions then they bare some responsibility. You know it'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic that any criticism of that countries policies are shot down amid accusations of racism, even when foreign Jews criticise they are labled as self loathers and the like.

Does this standard also apply to you and your country's actions? Or is it only famous people who should abide by this?

Mal · 23-11-2009, 19:24

An actual post about football

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ic/8374893.stm

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Originally Posted by BBC Sport

Wigan's players are to personally refund Latics fans who bought tickets at the DW Stadium for the 9-1 hammering at Tottenham on Sunday.

A good gesture, I think

TheDaddy · 23-11-2009, 19:45

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Originally Posted by Damien

Not every Israeli or Jew supports Israel's policies towards Palestine*. Treating the entire people as one is a recipe for trouble.

He also doesn't want to play with an Algerian! He is at best xenophobic.

*Personally, although I obviously intensely dislike some of it, I think not all are without merit.

I wasn't really talking about Palestinians but they way they treat fellow non Jewish Israelis.

And I wouldn't hold the Algerian thing against him at the moment, that's bitterness rather than xenohobia after the play off game, after all I wouldn't blame an Irishman for not wanting to play with any of the French team at the moment, see if he still says the same this time next year.

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Originally Posted by punky

Its called evidence. Evidence to prove that are wrong and have not got the faintest idea what you are talking about. That or you are trying to (pathetically) defend your own prejudices. Which one then?

Evidence is that what you call it, I say it's more like laziness, having to resort to dicitonarys does nothing for debate and I haven't got any idea, I'd remind you it's not me trying to call some one racist when the country in question is made up of more than one race.

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More nonsense from you then

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Originally Posted by Mal

A good gesture, I think

I thought that to

Russ · 23-11-2009, 20:20

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Originally Posted by Mal

An actual post about football

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ic/8374893.stm

A good gesture, I think

Absolutely, I didn't read it properly the first time, I thought it was the club who would be refunding them but it's actually the players - good on them

Derek · 23-11-2009, 23:43

Seeing the Soccer AM All-Sports show and sport hurts isn't on anymore you might have missed this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot..._3/8374862.stm

Ouchy!

NoKnowledge · 24-11-2009, 00:09

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Originally Posted by Derek S

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/88/33653632-football-season-2009-2010-a-page-74.html#post34914657

That was a bullet, even in slo-mo I couldn't make out what part the ball hit

sherer · 24-11-2009, 09:10

FIFA to meet over the Ireland - France match

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/8375320.stm

To be honest I think FIFA \ UEFA and the FA have shot themselves in the foot over this already. When was the last time you watched a match without seeing people diving and rolling all over the floor pretending to be injured. For me it would be several years ago, and then if you add in players getting the slightest touch on the face and having to roll on the floor, getting kicked in the foot and holding the knee as it is easier it gets worse.

Players like Ronaldo and Torres who two of the greatest players in the world at the moment have to cheat every match and get away with it

**Damien** · 24-11-2009, 09:14

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Originally Posted by sherer

FIFA to meet over the Ireland - France match

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/8375320.stm

To be honest I think FIFA \ UEFA and the FA have shot themselves in the foot over this already. When was the last time you watched a match without seeing people diving and rolling all over the floor pretending to be injured. For me it would be several years ago, and then if you add in players getting the slightest touch on the face and having to roll on the floor, getting kicked in the foot and holding the knee as it is easier it gets worse.

Players like Ronaldo and Torres who two of the greatest players in the world at the moment have to cheat every match and get away with it

Player we like (i.e British) it's Sportsmanship.
Player we dislike (i.e Foreign) it's Cheating.

sherer · 24-11-2009, 09:41

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Originally Posted by Damien

Player we like (i.e British) it's Sportsmanship.
Player we dislike (i.e Foreign) it's Cheating.

cheating is cheating no matter what the nationality or important.

Derek · 24-11-2009, 09:43

I'm still in favour of having a panel watch games after the final whistle and if there was any diving or unprofessional conduct during the game hand out 2 or 3 match bans to the culprits.

It wouldn't interfere with the game but would hopefully concentrate minds that if you do get an unfair advantage you'll be sitting out the next few games.

sherer · 24-11-2009, 09:58

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Originally Posted by Derek S

I'm still in favour of having a panel watch games after the final whistle and if there was any diving or unprofessional conduct during the game hand out 2 or 3 match bans to the culprits.

It wouldn't interfere with the game but would hopefully concentrate minds that if you do get an unfair advantage you'll be sitting out the next few games.

i'd like something like that but as we have seen with Eduardo and others all that happens is the team appeals and then because they touched a blade of grass or had the slightest contact possible the ban gets reduced.

What we need as an over reaction as I don't think a 203 game ban would have an affect. I'd ban players for 5 games for a first offence and then 10 if they did it again then it would really help to cut it out