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Old 11-11-2009, 13:59   #106
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Re: Gordon Brown attacked over letter 'insult'

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am talking about personally writing NOT signing a civil servant made up letter

as to the second bit i find it insulting as a dyslexic myself he bothered to do it personally

its well known as some seem to think his eye sight is also something they can use to bash him with and speculated ( i dont think he has ever said he is ) that he is dyslexic

to say that he has to use other ways to write when doing something personally makes my blood boil

he was not setting out policy or negotiating a deal he was just sending his personal condolences

Some have seen fit to exploited this grieving Lady who at that moment would have been upset by what ever means He ha written to her as she obviously feels her son should have not been there and been safer if he was which is understandable

but hey maybe we should make it law that dyslexics must use computers to communicate an that people with less than 20/20 vision should not be allowed to manage anything


i did warn i bite on that subject
Perhaps you should direct your bite to those villifying Brown I've already covered the 'handwritten' aspect and neither you or I know what approach previous PMs took to the writing of such letters. I've also already stated here that I don't think he meant any offence or was being uncaring and that the Sun is simply using this as a stick to beat him with, quite unjustifiably. However, as has been shown, offence was caused to the person who matters most of all - the recipient of that letter and all that could have been avoided if the PM and his advisors thought a tad more about what he'd written and how it was presented. It's nothing to do with the PM being partially sighted, it's about him contemplating the reaction of someone whose child has just been blown up serving the country he's running. IMHO her feelings should come first, not Mr Brown's...
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Re: Gordon Brown attacked over letter 'insult'

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Perhaps you should direct your bite to those villifying Brown I've already covered the 'handwritten' aspect and neither you or I know what approach previous PMs took to the writing of such letters. I've also already stated here that I don't think he meant any offence or was being uncaring and that the Sun is simply using this as a stick to beat him with, quite unjustifiably. However, as has been shown, offence was caused to the person who matters most of all - the recipient of that letter and all that could have been avoided if the PM and his advisors thought a tad more about what he'd written and how it was presented. It's nothing to do with the PM being partially sighted, it's about him contemplating the reaction of someone whose child has just been blown up serving the country he's running. IMHO her feelings should come first, not Mr Brown's...
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Old 11-11-2009, 14:07   #108
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Re: Gordon Brown attacked over letter 'insult'

By bring it to The Sun the circus ensued and people are asked to Judge Brown on this issue and most were quite fair. Obviously some people are like a dog with a bone and cannot, and will not, give up any stick with which to beat Brown.

It's a shabby letter.

Well, It was Nice of him to send a personal letter.

Well they ALL do it.

Actually, The MOD does it on behalf of the PM

Well It was just THIS letter he did as a PR stunt. Serves him right!

Actually, He has sent letter to all fallen serviceman since he has been PM. It's not talked about before this incident.

Maybe Brown actually does something decent? Shocking I know, I presume he drowns kittens every time he writes one of these letters such to redress the evil PM thing.
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Re: Gordon Brown attacked over letter 'insult'

might be hard to find as i saw him on a live interview on telly cant even remember which channels news at the moment but Mathew Paris Margret Thatchers correspondence secretary was defending Brown and saying He didnt know of any PM who had personally written like this to the families so I do know that even if there may be one from before her it hasn't been done by many others if any
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Old 11-11-2009, 15:39   #110
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Damien the point most here have made is that writing a letter is all well and good but NOT if you spell the name of the dead soldier wrong and then scribble it out and send the letter anyway. How long would it have taken for him to start again without the scribbled out mis spell of the name seriously if you can't have attention to detail in writing a letter fo this nature exactly where do you have attention to detail and isn't attention to detail something we should have in the person running the country.

For what it's worth i don't care who wrote the letter if david cameron or nick clegg had wrote this letter in the way it was written i would have said exactly the same things about the letter. Respect isn't just a word it is something you demonstrate in many ways and if your going to hand write a letter you then include that in the way your respect for something is demonstrated.

Unlike i suspect the vast vast majority of people on this forum i have been in the position of writing to the loved one's of a solider that was killed and i can tell you it was one of the hardest things i had to do and i never ever managed to convey myself or my feelings in one attempt three or four was the norm and every single detail was correct as that was my last act on behalf of a colleague and sometimes a friend so it was the very least i could do and the least they deserved.

Those letters mean more then many can understand to the familys that recieve them and a badly written one can have a huge affect as i believe is the case here. I do not support the sun at all and completely agree they are using this woman for their own ends even though at the minute and possibly not completely in her right mind she is going along with it.

I am also mindful of the fact that after being injured and the affects from that i couldn't write those letters now but if i was in a job where i needed too i would make damn sure someone looked over what i had written there is no excuse here for some of the sloppiness that was in that letter.
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Re: Gordon Brown attacked over letter 'insult'

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Or do we vote for who the Sun and Rupert Murdoch tell us to vote for?
Rupert would love that to be true but it isn't imo, I doubt people buy that rag for its political views. Any one remember their "It was The Sun That Won It" headline, hardly anyone bought that issue as a result, they are just opportunists backing the favourite.
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Or do we vote for who the Sun and Rupert Murdoch tell us to vote for?
No - the Sun is just very good at sensing the mood of the times, picking it up and running with it. That's why the Sun in England and Wales is pro-Tory and the Sun in Scotland is not. If they tried to tell Scottish Sun readers to vote Tory, they would simply end up losing a lot of their readership.
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Re: Gordon Brown attacked over letter 'insult'

Well well well, wonder what their excuse is? Perhaps their "journalist" also suffers from eye trouble or perhaps in their haste to point the finger they forgot to spell check, either way I think it serves them right. Jones indeed, planks.

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