Do you feel well served by your local police force?

Originally Posted by soicky

Bad eye site?

I believe Specsavers.com is a good one.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Derek S

And all that energy could have been used for something other than sniping from the sidelines.

Some people on the site obviously have an agenda, either pro or anti police. Some seem to think a bit of kneecaping is good old fashioned family fun and presumably would be happy for their estates to turn into the British equivalent of Kabul with armed gangs of mercenaries roaming about dealing out 'justice' to anyone looking a bit dodgy.

Vigilantes isn't good. not unless the police were to turn a blind eye to it.
would a vigilante get a fixed penalty or go to court and get a fine?

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Vigilantes isn't good.
.
would a vigilante get a fixed penalty or go to court and get a fine?

Some people are actively condoning vigilantism.

What punishment the courts give out is nothing whatsoever to do with the Police.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Derek S

Some people are actively condoning vigilantism.

What punishment the courts give out is nothing whatsoever to do with the Police.

I'm not asking you as a police man, hofficer

[Dai]

Originally Posted by Derek S

What punishment the courts give out is nothing whatsoever to do with the Police.

It must be damn difficult to keep up morale when the courts and CPS are working against you. I personally think the police are doing their best to keep things under control at street level but are continually undermined by their most senior officers and the 'justice' system.

I'd not want to face the drunken lowlifes that wander our town centre some nights. Particularly when you keep repeating the same performance over and over, with them released to wash, rinse and repeat endlessly.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Gary L

You have to explain why. those are the rulez.

If he's happy with the Police service, he either lives in a safe area, and is happy the police are catching criminals, or he is a criminal and believes he won't get caught..

I tend to believe the former..

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Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

private security firms in.

Who will then cut the service down the the minimum amount of staff they are legally allowed to have, cream off the profits and in the mean time will off load as much as they can on to the few remaining police officers. You think it won't happen? It's already happening in the NHS. Private hospitals frequently use NHS facilities and staff.

Plus, as pointed out earlier, Group 4 did a sterling job with the prisoners..

[Derek]

And is if on cue here is the view of a current Police Inspector in an English force.

http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com...re-told-shock/

If anyone was wondering why we Caution so many offenders, it is really very simple.

1. We have been told to increase the number of offenders dealt with ‘out of court’ and therefore we have a target.

So Labour moan about the backlog in the criminal justice system so come up with plans and scams to get stuff dealt with out of court then moan about that and announce grand plans to get things back to the way they were which will never happen.

If the Police were free to go after the people who need to be targeted with a massive reduction in the amount of form-filling, ridiculous box-ticking and general wastage they would get impressive results.

Of course at this point the jails would be filled up and they would have to start letting people out after serving less than half the sentence or suspending sentences or tagging people who have histories of ignoring court orders.

[Gary L]

I can't see it getting better. I see it getting worse. more and more people will be issued with PNDs for very trivial things such as swearing on your own property to a council man, and even things which before would have gone to court. crime won't be crime as we knew it.

there's no money to take criminals through the legal process. there's no money to deal with criminals. they seem to be taking advantage of 'crime' by issuing fines for this, that, and everything else.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Gary L

they seem to be taking advantage of 'crime' by issuing fines for this, that, and everything else.

We is they?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Derek S

We is they?

No, they is they.

Grammatically, they are they - but I agree with Dezza.

Had to have a think about this one because i don't think it is as simple as yes or no. To answer you directly Gary no i don't feel well served by our local police now that makes you happy but ask another question on top. Question being do i blame the police or the government and thats where the grey area is because i am not happy but i do not blame the police.

In my town being honest we don't really have a local police service we have whoever is spare after leicester has been sorted in terms of officers on duty and i have had this told to me by more then one or two serving police officers. I have also had many lengthy discussions with friends who are serving in the police and know exactly how completely demoralised they are and how much THEY feel they are failing local people and they are genuinely unhappy about it.

What we need is less obsession with statistics which as far as i am concerned have lost all relevence under labour as the systems are so manipulated to give the right statistic. Case in point police giving cautions for serious assaults as has been highlighted this week on one program but has been raised a few times before. Are the police happy about that, not any of them i have spoken too but government wants it that way so they are stuck.

I would like to see more police on foot rather then every officer i see in my town being a fleeting glimpse as they pass in their cars. I am not stupid we have to have officers that can respond quickly but a car passing by is not as effective as an officer or two walking the streets getting to know the people and being trusted by the local community. Thats what we have lost in the UK i honestly couldn't give you the name of my local police officer i havn't got a clue and no one else on my road has either ( yes i have talked to most of the residents) we havn't been told or notified.

Policing is a partnership between the police and the community but when the only time you see the police in person is when they are visiting you it is hard to build a trusting relationship with them so that you could pass along local info on what is going on and the police need that to police local communitys better. Anyone these days seen talking to a police officer is assumed to be doing something wrong so lets get back to the old days where i could stop and have a chat with a familiar local bobby in a social way so that speaking to a police officer was the norm and didn't mean you were in trouble or a grass.

If it is more normal to be seen talking to a police officer information will be more freely given and the people doing it won't have to fear they are easily identified because most would be speaking to the police it is the best way to keep local bad apples in check. Right now thats the biggest problem we have local bad apples are out of control running around influencing those on the outskirts of criminality because we're all individuals and there is no strength to counter them as there was once.

[Escapee]

No

Commenting on my local force, I am aware of over a dozen instances of vandalism costing thousands of pounds on each occasion. On at least three of these I have managed to identify the culprits, but the police have not. It's almost as if they can#t be bothered.

Adding to that a couple of instances where:

(A) I got in a police car to assist in identifying two guys who had beaten a young lad senseless in my front garden, we spotted them but the copper wouldn't get out of the car because there was two of them. (I offered to assist)

(B) A copper would not climb over the fence into next door to catch an intruder, he said it was dark! I offered but he expected me to leave my cricket bat behind, when I said 'NO you go then' he let me carry on.

The list goes on, perhaps I live in an area with poor policing.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Gary L

No, they is they.

Hmmm, I suppose that'll teach me to actually read the posts after they are made.

Anyway what was meant to be posted was.

WHO are they?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Escapee

No

Commenting on my local force, I am aware of over a dozen instances of vandalism costing thousands of pounds on each occasion. On at least three of these I have managed to identify the culprits, but the police have not. It's almost as if they can#t be bothered.

Adding to that a couple of instances where:

(A) I got in a police car to assist in identifying two guys who had beaten a young lad senseless in my front garden, we spotted them but the copper wouldn't get out of the car because there was two of them. (I offered to assist)

(B) A copper would not climb over the fence into next door to catch an intruder, he said it was dark! I offered but he expected me to leave my cricket bat behind, when I said 'NO you go then' he let me carry on.

The list goes on, perhaps I live in an area with poor policing.

Forgive me if my bovine-excrement radar goes doolaly with that post.