Real Justice.

But you are relying then on all members of the police force the medical profession and the scientists on the case being honest. Evidence can be tampered with at any point along an investigation

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by DaiNasty

Pointless?

That particular deranged individual is never going to offend again. I'd say that makes the world a better place.

gets my vote

[Flyboy]

I'd only agree with the death sentence with something like the level of proof you get with uncontested DNA evidence or similar level of proof of guilt.....

All murder convictions are supposed to be beyond doubt, aren't they?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by DaiNasty

Cue the Human Rights Brigade.

Cue another boring thread fuelled by largely untrue media stories that prisoners have a luxury lifestyle..

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by DaiNasty

Pointless?

That particular deranged individual is never going to offend again. I'd say that makes the world a better place.

Pointless for two reasons:

1) The legal system is not perfect, and does sometimes punish the wrong person or people. At least if they are in prison, they can be released if innocent. If they are dead, what can we do?

2) I have asked this a few times and never got an answer. Why should these vile people get the quick release from the aftermath of their actions? They'll be dead, but that won't help the family and friends of their victim(s) and also means that being dead, the criminal feels nothing.

[DocDutch]

I would agree to the death penalty here if its 100% proven.
also with regards to life imprisonment its perhaps cheaper to do a death penalty really as you dont have to pay for the inmate's food, welfare, dole money, fags, you name it.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by zing

But you are relying then on all members of the police force the medical profession and the scientists on the case being honest. Evidence can be tampered with at any point along an investigation

Then we can never know anything......may as well let all prisoners out?

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

Cue another boring thread fuelled by largely untrue media stories that prisoners have a luxury lifestyle..

We aren't talking about their lifestyle here?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

We aren't talking about their lifestyle here?

Yet. However a lot of these threads do go that way.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Then we can never know anything......may as well let all prisoners out?

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We aren't talking about their lifestyle here?

At least a prisoner in jail can later be proven innocent and released whereas a prisoner killed can not later be reprieved. The Timothy Evans case for example Christie even appeared as a witness

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by DocDutch

I would agree to the death penalty here if its 100% proven.

It's impossible to be 100% proven.

The yardstick in our legal system is beyond reasonable doubt, which still leaves doubt - no matter how "unreasonable"

The death penalty is one of those things that on the face of it, is great.

However, when you look into it and look at all the injustices that there have been since is was abolished that you know you could never bring it back.

Not even DNA evidence is infallible.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by zing

At least a prisoner in jail can later be proven innocent and released whereas a prisoner killed can not later be reprieved. The Timothy Evans case for example Christie even appeared as a witness

True. I just get a knee jerk reaction with paedophiles.......especially when they have been caught fair and square.....the person who did this took a 3yo into the desert, raped him and left him to die in the heat. He has no place amongst humanity and imo should be put down like the dangerous animal he is. I would gladly execute him myself.

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

Yet. However a lot of these threads do go that way.

Hmmm......I don't care about their lifestyle (well ok, maybe a little)......it's the way that they are so often released to rape and kill once more....thats what I have a big problem with....
They cannot be 'cured' and yet they are so often let out of jail!

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

True. I just get a knee jerk reaction with paedophiles.......especially when they have been caught fair and square.....the person who did this took a 3yo into the desert, raped him and left him to die in the heat. He has no place amongst humanity and imo should be put down like the dangerous animal he is. I would gladly execute him myself.

But as is so often in cases such as this, there is so litle independaent information, it is impossible to know whether he was caught fairly, or indeed squarely.

Going by Saudi Arabia's track record, there should be enough doubt in people's minds as to whether this person really did get a fair trial. My own suspicions are that he was tried on the basis of homosexual acts, rather than the harm he has, or may have, caused children. Hence the severity of his punishment; especially as these were boys. I shudder to think what the punishment might have been, if they had been only girls. I do believe, although I may have succumbed to popular misconceptions, that it is often that the girl is blamed for being raped, rather than the perpetrator.

Hmmm......I don't care about their lifestyle (well ok, maybe a little)......it's the way that they are so often released to rape and kill once more....thats what I have a big problem with....
They cannot be 'cured' and yet they are so often let out of jail!

But I wonder what the rate of re-offending for these crimes are.

[Ramrod]

90% according to the BBC.....and that fits with what child protection workers have told me.
You can't stop people from being attracted to what they are attracted to sexually. I am attracted to women, not men......you can't 'cure' me of that. You cannot cure paedophiles from being sexually attracted to children. Different paedophiles have different attractions, boys, girls, very young, pre-teen etc.....thats the way their brains are, you can't change it. Either lock them up for life or execute them......and since our liberal justice system seems to have a problem with locking people up for life......

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

90% according to the BBC.....and that fits with what child protection workers have told me.
You can't stop people from being attracted to what they are attracted to sexually. I am attracted to women, not men......you can't 'cure' me of that. You cannot cure paedophiles from being sexually attracted to children. Different paedophiles have different attractions, boys, girls, very young, pre-teen etc.....thats the way their brains are, you can't change it. Either lock them up for life or execute them......and since our liberal justice system seems to have a problem with locking people up for life......

Some source material would be useful.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

90% according to the BBC.....and that fits with what child protection workers have told me.
You can't stop people from being attracted to what they are attracted to sexually. I am attracted to women, not men......you can't 'cure' me of that. You cannot cure paedophiles from being sexually attracted to children. Different paedophiles have different attractions, boys, girls, very young, pre-teen etc.....thats the way their brains are, you can't change it. Either lock them up for life or execute them......and since our liberal justice system seems to have a problem with locking people up for life......

you are missing chemical castration

Incidentally and I realise this is going to go down like a ton of bricks if as you say its a natural attraction like yours and mine hetrosexuallity are you not giving them the arguement that its genetic and they were born that way therefore it is not their choice?

(I do not support this theory btw in any way shape or form)