[Update] BNP on Question Time this week

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Niles Crane

What's your political party going to be called?

BNPC
British Non Political Correctness party?

Only reason the bnp seem a credible alternative to some is because race and immigrastion in the Uk are the two big no no subjects for the mainstream partys as they don't want to be tarnished as racist. We have to start talking about it and sorting it out but in no way shape or form is the bnp the answer to either of the problems and the way they would deal with the two issues is completely unacceptable.

Many do not feel secure in their identity in this country and the sudden influx of immigrants and the problems that causes seem to further erode that feeling but that is not the problem of the immigrants themself rather a problem with the residents themselves and their lack of seeking in many cases an identity.

I do think education has a part to play that i am not sure it plays right now and from my own experience my kids were taught more about other cultures then they were about their own something that maybe needs to be addressed. What we need in this country is an identity that is easy for the natives to understand and be taught and understanding of other cultures but at a time when the numbers of other people of different culture is under control.


And when said people are secure in their own identity. Bnp represents hate and intolerence which is not the answer understanding is but it has to be done far far better then it has been done to date and people must be bought along willingly in that process not forced as many feel at the minute.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by martyh

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you have to realise that most doctors surgeries run that way BECAUSE there are not enough recources to manage the thousands of immigrants that have suddenly decended on them .These are immigrants who have paid no tax ,no n.i contributions and you wonder why this bothers me

why would i want to comment on a parties tax policies when all parties tax policies are up in the air at the moment .As it happens the policy to stop foriegn aid is quite apealling but to give it a time line of "untill there is no more need among British people"is stupid

As for your comments on global warming ..have you never heard of priorities? it's no good giving millions to foriegn aid (however laudible)when the country owes billions in debt ,do that when we can afford it,and i'm sorry but global warming is the last thing on my mind when i have to worry about making this months mortgage or council tax bill

And yes i would like it easier to make a doctors appointment beause i pay my tax and n.i and have done so since leaving school

You do realise that a lot of surgeries are only working because of the immigrant doctors that are running them don't you.....

[Pierre]

What this discussion has to do with doctors surgeries is puzzling

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by martyh

At least some one in this thread is talking sense

living in Newcastle upon tyne for the last 25 yrs i have witnessed a lot of changes mostly in the last 5yrs or so due to the large influx of migrants to the area .Probably the most obvious is the growth in open support for the BNP.I know many BNP supporters (i hasten to add i am not a member)who do NOT go around "paki bashing"or spitting at muslims or any other type of racist behavior ,they have simply lived in areas like Cruddas park or Benwell all their lives and cannot understand why a family from Poland or india or Afghanistan gets priority over them or their family in health or housing matters.In truth, i can't either.These people,and yes i openly admit to being one,look for a way of expressing their frustration at being ignored by our own government and at the moment ,for some ,the BNP is offering more than the tories ,libs or labour in matters that really worry them.
I am not a member of the BNP ,BUT i do support some of their beliefs,I believe all imigration should be stopped now to give the country time to build up a infrasructure capable of supporting more migrants
I do not support the idea that non indigenous people should be deported,i find that idea both stupid and unpractical for any number of reasons
I also find people who think that all BNP supporters are knuckle dragging thugs both ignorent and stupid .You don't have to be racist to support some of their ideas
I also know many pakistani people whose fathers and mothers emigrated here in the fifties and sixties and are just as worried about the immigration issue as we "white indigenous people are" because they can be just as racist as us white people

Apart from the rest of your rather incoherently absurd rant; where do families from Poland, India or Afghanistan get priority in health and housing over you white folk? A recent survey produced evidence that no non British race gets priority over housing, in proportion to their representation. I can understand your misperception, regarding housing, because you presumably have been brainwashed by the British Nazi Party's propaganda, but I can't see how you think that other races are being given priority over health issues. Do doctors come out of their surgeries and say, "next non-British patient, please."

[Russ]

Originally Posted by martyh

I also find people who think that all BNP supporters are knuckle dragging thugs both ignorent and stupid.

Did you not see my clips from the anti-BNP march in Swansea? They may or may not be the actual BNP but I don't see violent and abusive skinhead thugs coming out in support of other parties.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Russ

Did you not see my clips from the anti-BNP march in Swansea? They may or may not be the actual BNP but I don't see violent and abusive skinhead thugs coming out in support of other parties.

Obviously there will be an element of this, particularly amongst the core supporters/members, who are likely to go on marches. However, that does not mean that all or even the majority of people that voted for them in the last election fit that description.

[CHiLL]

As much as I hate the BNP, I don't think they should be banned from going on Question Time. They are eligible to run for election, and could run the country if they won (however unlikely).

People are suggesting that this is only going to give the BNP more publicity. There is that, but it's going to be all the other parties vs the BNP. I hope Nick Griffin gets roasted, plus there's bound to be some very hostile members of the public in the crowd attacking the BNP, and some supporting no doubt.

People are worried about people being swayed to the BNP from their appearance on tonight's show. If people are swayed that easily, they obviously have no moral principles towards a certain party, if they can change their views radically in what, 30 minutes?

[Angua]

The result of not listening to public concerns over issues which worry so many was how the Labour Party came to power.

If nothing else the main stream parties should take note of this rather than hide away or refuse to share a platform with the BNP.

The viewing figures for Question Time will go through the roof, but they should not be afraid of asking the awkward questions that might show the BNP up for the narrow minded racists they are. A much better way of diffusing their arguments IMO

[punky]

Originally Posted by CHiLL

As much as I hate the BNP, I don't think they should be banned from going on Question Time. They are eligible to run for election, and could run the country if they won (however unlikely).

People are suggesting that this is only going to give the BNP more publicity. There is that, but it's going to be all the other parties vs the BNP. I hope Nick Griffin gets roasted, plus there's bound to be some very hostile members of the public in the crowd attacking the BNP, and some supporting no doubt.

People are worried about people being swayed to the BNP from their appearance on tonight's show. If people are swayed that easily, they obviously have no moral principles towards a certain party, if they can change their views radically in what, 30 minutes?

Ultimately it is publicity which will be the downfall of the BNP. Only when the BNP are free to speak fully will people (number 2 below) then listen and realise the BNP isn't the answer they seek.

The BNP has two types of supporters.

The first are the typical skinhead variety. Their numbers have remained fairly constant over the years. Also they won't be won over from the BNP by debate.

The second are the floating voters. These are largely honest, decent people (despite what the UAF and their ilk say). They work hard, pay taxes and obey the law. In a lot of cases i'm sure they do have ethnic minority friends. They also float their votes between the Tories, UKIP and now the BNP depending on who is telling them what they want to hear. They just want their issues dealt with. They can be won over by debate. They are the ones that need to see - on TV/Question Time/whatever - that the BNP is both too inept to run a party and that what they see and identify with is just a veneer.

Trying to undermine the BNP in any way will increase the numbers of #2 voters. That's not really in anyone's best interest.

Coherent and well-put proposition, punky.

[punky]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Coherent and well-put proposition, punky.

Thank you, I do try.

The one thing that's really annoying about all this is that there is far too emotion attached to the BNP. That really clouds the issue and makes like harder for everyone.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by punky

The one thing that's really annoying about all this is that there is far too emotion attached to the BNP. That really clouds the issue and makes like harder for everyone.

It does. someone will say is it ok for me to say how unhappy I am about something to do with immigrants?

No, get out you racist! we don't want the BNP in here!
now where was I? oh yes, nice cup of tea Mr Singh?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Why don't you try my time machine. go back in time, and then come back to the present to compare the two.

Or you can stay where you are and just dwell about the past.

It has not stopped. That kind of racism has decreased in this country, but it has not stopped.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

It has not stopped. That kind of racism has decreased in this country, but it has not stopped.

To be fair, he never said it had stopped, his point was exactly the same as the one you have just made.

Originally Posted by Gary L

I'm not ignorant. I know racism exists. but not at the extent of what it was in the 60's where someone describes, and to what I was referring to.