Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes? - Page 30

funcard_4 · 20-10-2009, 23:36

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

So not Virgin Media then - as Eurosport News isn't carried on VM

Even though it's not on stream it's still held in the card. Don't want to go into to much deail.

20-10-2009, 23:37

I see no reason to disbelieve this guy. If it is not a VM card it gives possible proof of concept as to how to hack a VM card. I seriously would not be surprised if it is hit within a relatively short period of time myself.

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

So not Virgin Media then - as Eurosport News isn't carried on VM

no offence but do you have the knowledge of this technology to say outright what he posted is incorrect?

Hiroki · 20-10-2009, 23:39

If you google what he wrote you find out that it's not a virgin card and is from Spain or Portugal or one of those countries.

Still they will hack it eventually.

Also he changed 2008 to 2009 on what was posted on the other site

20-10-2009, 23:40

as I said proof of concept

**Maggy** · 20-10-2009, 23:41

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Originally Posted by joglynne

They do have to aim the FAQ's at the least clued up of their customers I suppose.

I have a neighbour who has both VM and Freeview who will ask me all those Freeveiw questions even if he sees the information in black and white on his screen. From past experience he will also want me to get it in writing that VM aren't going to charge him for the new card.

Well tell him a load of porkies and then he'll stop asking you.

Hiroki · 20-10-2009, 23:42

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Originally Posted by zing

as I said proof of concept

Fair point

funcard_4 · 20-10-2009, 23:51

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Originally Posted by Hiroki

Fair point

As i said the info on how exactly it's done is not made public yet for obvious reasons.

I cannot copy and paste the whole dump from a vm card as that would be againts forum rules and stupid all I am saying is that it has been hacked. Yes bits I have got from another site but concept is exactly the same. 5/10 for research Hiroki.

**Maggy** · 20-10-2009, 23:54

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Originally Posted by funcard_4

it's a hacker from england who has managed to reverse engineer a vm smartcard. Thats all I can say.

he has managed to peel away the 3 extra layers of silicone security chips using a powerful electron microscope and several different acids and lasers until he got to the final precious bottom 3 layers of the Kudelski chip where all the precious codes are hidden

The bottom 3 layers of the Kudelski chip is where all the precious codes are hidden not anymore.

At the end of the day the only reason why N1 was hacked was because NDS (SKY) hired a hacker to hack nagra 1 NDS was working on this for 6 weeks so they hired a hacker who managed to do it 1 week for a 6 figure sum. nagra are trying to hack into a nds card and vice versa thats how the business goes.

So where did he get the card from?

20-10-2009, 23:55

someone somewhere stole it? there are moles everywhere. How was the blu ray release of Star Trek leaked a month ago someone on the inside stole it.If someone has got hod of VM cards then I imagine there are numerous places one could have come from

funcard_4 · 20-10-2009, 23:58

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

So where did he get the card from?

probably from a source inside vm,

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Everything is possible for the right money. maybe it might of been NDS again that paid someone to break the encryption.

**Maggy** · 21-10-2009, 00:04

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Originally Posted by zing

someone somewhere stole it? there are moles everywhere. How was the blu ray release of Star Trek leaked a month ago someone on the inside stole it.If someone has got hod of VM cards then I imagine there are numerous places one could have come from

So why didn't VM actually give one of the new VM cards to a hacker in the first place to see if they could be hacked..or did they already do that?

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And how much would one of the new VM cards have been worth to sell to the hacker?How much for possibly putting your job on the line?

funcard_4 · 21-10-2009, 00:06

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

So why didn't VM actually give one of the new VM cards to a hacker in the first place to see if they could be hacked..or did they already do that?

It's kudelski who writes the encyption not vm and am sure they probably did.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

So why didn't VM actually give one of the new VM cards to a hacker in the first place to see if they could be hacked..or did they already do that?

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And how much would one of the new VM cards have been worth to sell to the hacker?How much for possibly putting your job on the line?

you ask a vm engineer he would probably be happy with Â£50 he just handing over a piece of plastic. The new cards have been given for a while now with all new installs.

**Maggy** · 21-10-2009, 00:09

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Originally Posted by funcard_4

It's kudelski who writes the encyption not vm and am sure they probably did.

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you ask a vm engineer he would probably be happy with Â£50 he just handing over a piece of plastic. The new cards have been given for a while now with all new installs.

Â£50!! That's just stupid..this is an illegal industry worth millions and anyone getting their hands on a hacked card surely is prepared to pay more than that surely?

21-10-2009, 00:13

thing is I would imagine once it is hacked and up and running the cards will be cheap . Its the boxs where they make the money. 2 VM engineers earlier this year installed 2 v boxes both modified and hacked cards for Â£300. Not to me btw a guy up the street I have always paid my cable bills

TheDon · 21-10-2009, 00:13

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Originally Posted by zing

no offence but do you have the knowledge of this technology to say outright what he posted is incorrect?

I have the knowledge to say the bit he copy pasted is a repost of a post that did the rounds 12 months ago about how n3 was extremely close to being hacked and it was literally days away, one that was pretty soon called out as a hoax.

If n3 is close to being hacked or not I don't know, but if it is, it will have nothing to do with that, and someone coming on here giving a textbook explanation of how smartcards are hacked isn't enough to worry me that it is any closer than it ever has been. Anyone that has the slightest knowledge of smartcard hacking can tell you what it involves doing to physically extract the data.