[Update] BNP on Question Time this week

[Flyboy]

Check him out at 25:10-25:25.

[soicky]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Check him out at 25:10-25:25.

LOL, could that be nicks younger brother.

There is one thing that will give griffin away and thats the first time anyone not white has something to say watch his previous tv moments the same look comes on his face whenever someone not of the right race says something.

[punky]

Jack Straw would be terrible against the BNP. Its a shame Ian Hislop wasn't saved until the BNP episode. He'd tear them to shreds.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by soicky

LOL, could that be nicks younger brother.

I couldn't believe it when I saw him. I thought Griffin had infiltrated the audience, or sent his nephew (but then, perhaps he did ).

[Jimmy-J]

BNP debate 'illegal', warns Hain

The BBC could face legal action over British National Party leader Nick Griffin's appearance on Question Time, Welsh Secretary Peter Hain has warned.

The show is due to feature Mr Griffin, Justice Secretary Jack Straw and Tory and Lib Dem panellists on 22 October.

But Mr Hain has written to BBC director general Mark Thompson arguing the BNP was "an unlawful body" following a court ruling on its membership policy.

The BBC said it would respond to Mr Hain's letter "in due course".

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Originally Posted by Product 13

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Hain's another idiot who thinks that banning things and parties is the only answer..

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Product 13

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From that link:

The party has agreed to amend its constitution after the Equalities and Human Rights Commission sought an injunction, claiming the BNP was breaking the Race Relations Act by restricting membership to "indigenous Caucasian" people.

The party has not agreed to change anything. Griffin has reportedly said that he will propose the amendment change at the party's EGM. He has not yet, as far as I am aware, signed the undertaking, issued by the High Court last week, that compels him to make those proposals.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Hain's another idiot who thinks that banning things and parties is the only answer..

He's a typical leftie twit who thinks 'no platform' motions actually achieve anything. I spent long hours arguing with his type back in my Uni days when the anti-nazis proposed (and successfully got, unfortunately) a student union motion denying the platform to fascists. Not that there were any fascists, or anybody that might have been accused of being a fascist, trying to make use of the platform, mind you.

Even if the BNP is an illegal body, what basis is there for a legal challenge against the BBC? Hain's letter is just full of overblown bluster and posturing, which let's face it is all you have to stand on when there's no substance behind your arguments. And that's exactly why the BNP should be on Question Time. I'm really looking forward to watching Nick Griffin make a complete arse of himself.

Originally Posted by Chris

He's a typical leftie twit who thinks 'no platform' motions actually achieve anything. I spent long hours arguing with his type back in my Uni days when the anti-nazis proposed (and successfully got, unfortunately) a student union motion denying the platform to fascists. Not that there were any fascists, or anybody that might have been accused of being a fascist, trying to make use of the platform, mind you.

While I don't mind/care the BNP being allowed onto Question Time, I don't see the problem in denying a platform to fascists? This is not a violation of free speech, it's about not giving them a megaphone from which to promote their agenda.

I also think the people who subscribe to these views do so due to anger, ignorance, racism or a combination of the three. I don't think they can be reasoned with or the ideology defeated with debate and fact.

Even if the BNP is an illegal body, what basis is there for a legal challenge against the BBC? Hain's letter is just full of overblown bluster and posturing, which let's face it is all you have to stand on when there's no substance behind your arguments. And that's exactly why the BNP should be on Question Time. I'm really looking forward to watching Nick Griffin make a complete arse of himself.

He won't though. He's too smart. He will ensure he comes across well and will spout populist nonsense.

More importantly he will frame the context of the debate before he answers any question. He won't answer "Are mixed marriages a good/bad/indifferent thing?" he will pretend the question is "Should we preserve British culture?". He won't answer "Did the Black British Solider injured in Iraq deserve the Victoria Cross?" he will pretend the question is "Should Black Solders be given the VC because they are black?". He frames the question so that he gives a responsible, non-racist, answer and pretends that the answers to those questions are what have caused the BNP to be called Racist. Strawmen ahoy.

So the justice minister agrees to go on with them and now hain says it's illegal so who is the idiot jack straw or peter hain even odds if you ask me.

[Horace]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

So the justice minister agrees to go on with them and now hain says it's illegal so who is the idiot jack straw or peter hain even odds if you ask me.

Neither is an idiot. It's called a difference of opinion. It 'might' be illegal, it might not, I'm sure the BBC lawyers are running it through before the episode is recorded. Peter Hain is following his convictions and giving the BBC a reason not to allow him on the programme. That doesn't make him an idiot, just a politician ~.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

While I don't mind/care the BNP being allowed onto Question Time, I don't see the problem in denying a platform to fascists? This is not a violation of free speech, it's about not giving them a megaphone from which to promote their agenda.

It's not upto the BBC to say who can, or who cannot, use this platform. They are a public service broadcaster. The BNP are a legal party.

They could have just continued not to invite them, but now they have they must see it through

I also think the people who subscribe to these views do so due to anger, ignorance, racism or a combination of the three. I don't think they can be reasoned with or the ideology defeated with debate and fact.

Same can be, and is, said about Islamic Extremists and the fighting in Afghanistan. But this much I am certain of, there will be no victory in Afghanistan and eventually we will have to talk to the Taliban.

In the end the only way to resolve differences is with reasoned debate and fact

More importantly he will frame the context of the debate before he answers any question. He won't answer "Are mixed marriages a good/bad/indifferent thing?" he will pretend the question is "Should we preserve British culture?". He won't answer "Did the Black British Solider injured in Iraq deserve the Victoria Cross?" he will pretend the question is "Should Black Solders be given the VC because they are black?". He frames the question so that he gives a responsible, non-racist, answer and pretends that the answers to those questions are what have caused the BNP to be called Racist. Strawmen ahoy.

Well Mr Dimbleby should be ready to ensure the questions are answered as put to the panel, that is what he is there for after all.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It's not upto the BBC to say who can, or who cannot, use this platform. They are a public service broadcaster. The BNP are a legal party.

No they are not, that has already been determined.

They could have just continued not to invite them, but now they have they must see it through

Not now that it has been ruled that the British Nazi Party are an illegal organisation. They have a legitimate and valid reason to uninvite them.

Same can be, and is, said about Islamic Extremists and the fighting in Afghanistan. But this much I am certain of, there will be no victory in Afghanistan and eventually we will have to talk to the Taliban.

In the end the only way to resolve differences is with reasoned debate and fact

But Fuhrer Griffin does not use reason and fact. He uses confusion, conjecture and lies.

Well Mr Dimbleby should be ready to ensure the questions are answered as put to the panel, that is what he is there for after all.

It doesn't matter what Dimbleby will say, Griffin will continue to spout his lies and the racist ignorants will lap it up.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Hain's another idiot who thinks that banning things and parties is the only answer..

He has a lot to lose, should they ever get in he'd be one of the first on the boat, it almost makes them worth voting for actually....