[Update] The Royal Mail strike thread - Page 3

Flyboy · 08-10-2009, 14:20

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Originally Posted by danielf

Staff = workers?

Oops...sorry, missed that.

Russ · 08-10-2009, 14:21

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

That is non-sequitor. Just because it is a privatised service does not automatically mean it will be better one.

Numerous companies offering the same service, competing for business. You stick to your strike-happy RM, the rest of us will opt for a service that doesn't shaft us when we need them the most.

Flyboy · 08-10-2009, 14:23

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Originally Posted by Russ B

I don't remember hearing about Tesco laying people off due to their price cuts but that's a different story.

And quite different to this one.

If the RM think they'll get public support (and they always wheel out a union rep who spouts off claiming "the public are behind us") they'll be waiting a long time for it.

Any chance of explaining that "Diane" thing?

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Numerous companies offering the same service, competing for business. You stick to your strike-happy RM, the rest of us will opt for a service that doesn't shaft us when we need them the most.

Oh dear....you don't really think that you won't get shafted if the Royal Mail gets privatised.

punky · 08-10-2009, 14:26

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

As there no jobs (and this is one of the main points of the action) what do you really expect them do instead? Another one who can't see, if they all resign, who else will do the job? More poorly trained, paid and motivated staff instead? Except that their conditions will be even worse and so will the service. What's that about paying peanuts....?

The vast majority of people wouldn't have the balls to resign and give the jobs to people that would be more than happy to accept them. They know they are lucky to be where they are.

They have a legal right to strike and will do it whenever it suits them. That doesn't mean I, nor lots of people around this country who are taking redunancies, pay and/or hour cuts have to like it or sympathise with them.

**Damien** · 08-10-2009, 14:27

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

But Amazon's decision has nothing to do with the current proposed industrial actions. It is to do with cost effectiveness and lack of service. What do you expect these workers to do as an alternative to industrial action?

Do you really expect a privatised service to offer better pay and conditions?

Of course it has something to do with the strikes. In the last few months Royal Mail has become completely unreliable as a result of these actions. Businesses cannot trust the Royal Mail and are going to have increasing problems as a result.

They are holding ordinary people and businesses to ransom to settle their dispute with management. The Union has recently said they don't think the backlog of mail will ever get delivered, and then protested the Royal Mail were employing non-postal workers to help shift though it. People have important documents in the mail. I know of one person still waiting for their degree certificate and another for their passport. The Union not only wants their workers not to sort out this backlog but also to prevent anyone from doing so.

Ultimately though they are a business and the employees are encouraging their own downfall. They are making the service unreliable and thus forcing businesses such as Amazon, of of their biggest clients, to their rivals.

Russ · 08-10-2009, 14:27

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

Oh dear....you don't really think that you won't get shafted if the Royal Mail gets privatised.

If one company shafts us we use another. Not all that difficult really.

**Damien** · 08-10-2009, 14:28

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

Oh dear....you don't really think that you won't get shafted if the Royal Mail gets privatised.

We're getting shafted now. So we're used to it.

Flyboy · 08-10-2009, 14:29

So Russ, no explanation of the "Diane" thing then?

Russ · 08-10-2009, 14:32

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

So Russ, no explanation of the "Diane" thing then?

No. Tell you another time.

In the meantime can you imagine how frustrating it is for those out of work to be inconvenienced by people who are in a job but chose not to do it?

Public sympathy? Not a chance.

Flyboy · 08-10-2009, 14:37

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Originally Posted by Flyboy
So Russ, no explanation of the "Diane" thing then?

No. Tell you another time.

In the meantime can you imagine how frustrating it is for those out of work to be inconvenienced by people who are in a job but chose not to do it?

Public sympathy? Not a chance.

Aah, I see...no good reason then.

injuneer · 08-10-2009, 15:23

Well the RM workers have my support, the bully boy management style seems to be the acceptable norm these days but there are still some who stand up for rights that they fought hard for in the past, unlike most of us who just roll over & accept it.
BT workers may well be the next to ballot for strike action soon, I have some friends still in that wonderful organisation & the management style there now is akin to something like working in a Victorian workhouse. Lots of management intimidation.

SB_07 · 08-10-2009, 16:25

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Originally Posted by injuneer

Well the RM workers have my support, the bully boy management style seems to be the acceptable norm these days but there are still some who stand up for rights that they fought hard for in the past, unlike most of us who just roll over & accept it.
BT workers may well be the next to ballot for strike action soon, I have some friends still in that wonderful organisation & the management style there now is akin to something like working in a Victorian workhouse. Lots of management intimidation.

I'm sure RM workers aren't working in 3rd world conditions and i'm pretty sure they get a decent wage considering their job isn't the hardest in the world.

We don't see the armed forces going on strike, and most get paid less than a RM worker

08-10-2009, 17:17

The postman have had it far to good for to long, they've been rumbled and they don't like it. Round here the RM are after bringing in an automatic sorting machine which will take the work away from the postmen and women, they don't like because the machine can do a better job than them.

If they don't like to work for a living I'm sure there's plenty out there who would like a cushy job on the post.

As for losing the Â£25million Amazon contract it's their own faults, Amazon have got their customers to think about, if HDN have won the contract well done to them.

papa smurf · 08-10-2009, 17:27

i support the postmen /women 100%
its a shame that there management has brought the situation to inevitable strike action .
a good postie is a blessing .

Flyboy · 08-10-2009, 17:29

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Originally Posted by Nidge

The postman have had it far to good for to long, they've been rumbled and they don't like it. Round here the RM are after bringing in an automatic sorting machine which will take the work away from the postmen and women, they don't like because the machine can do a better job than them.

If they don't like to work for a living I'm sure there's plenty out there who would like a cushy job on the post.

As for losing the Â£25million Amazon contract it's their own faults, Amazon have got their customers to think about, if HDN have won the contract well done to them.

That is exactly what they are striking for; a living wage and conditons commensurate for the work they do.

You don't really think they are doing this by choice and your assertion that "they don't like to work for a living" is, quite frankly, offensive to all hard working people throughout the country, who take a stand against employers who attempt to walk all over the rights of these hard working people. They are not getting paid, nor do they qualify for any benefits, for the time they are on strike, so it is hardly a case of, "they don't like to work for a living," is it!