Christians arrested for defending their beliefs

The way I look at it if a lot of those that cry to the police did toughen up and have a thick skin resentment from people like me might be reduced. An argument in an argument insult is an insult just cuz someone uses your skin colour or religion does not make it anymore of an insult imo. I am sorry but I think its weak and gives the yobs another reason to be how they are

Perhaps it may be time to stand back and actually see what the court case reveals..especially as this thread is just rambling around the same issues with no one able to come to much of a consensus.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by zing

The way I look at it if a lot of those that cry to the police did toughen up and have a thick skin resentment from people like me might be reduced. An argument in an argument insult is an insult just cuz someone uses your skin colour or religion does not make it anymore of an insult imo. I am sorry but I think its weak and gives the yobs another reason to be how they are

What a rather blinkered attitude. The abuse doesn't stop there though, does it? It carries on and gets worse. It starts with, "I don't like your religion," to "I hate your religion," to " I am going to disenfranchise you, because of your religion," then to "I am going to do you harm, because of your religion." Please, tell me, at which point do we say, "stop?"

Blinkered attitude lol ok just cuz I do not agree with a lot of other peoples views makes me blinkered does it? Ive seen my fair share of crap mate to come to educated choices

Maybe you do not know but I am an inactive Jehovahs Witness so I have suffered enough persection for my faith

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another point to bring up there is a very strong opinion against JW's from knocking on doors or the blood issue but you never get factions on here dedicated to fight their corner like Muslims do

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by zing

Blinkered attitude lol ok just cuz I do not agree with a lot of other peoples views makes me blinkered does it? Ive seen my fair share of crap mate to come to educated choices

Maybe you do not know but I am an inactive Jehovahs Witness so I have suffered enough persection for my faith

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another point to bring up there is a very strong opinion against JW's from knocking on doors or the blood issue but you never get factions on here dedicated to fight their corner like Muslims do

Growing a thicker skin will not solve the problem i.e. make it go away. Can you elaborate on how it will, or why "its weak and gives the yobs another reason to be how they are".

Also do you think the 'factions' on here are dedicately fighting her corner because she is a muslim, or would they have done so irregardless of her religion. I would have said the latter.

In my opinion I think the argument you are putting forward is along the lines of "i was persecuted and grew a thicker skin, so should everyone else". Personally I don't think its a valid argument at all.

At this moment in time most of my sympathys do go to this woman because what i have read so far makes me think she was the victim of some good ol fashioned bullying and ignorance. I don't believe this couple were defending their faith i think they have bought the whole faith thing into it to gain support they would otherwise not have had. I may well be wrong but so far nothing contradicts that view and please someone tell me i am defending religion because i am not. I am judging this on the basis of two hoteliers who had a paying guest at their establishment for a month and then subjected her to the sort of rubbish they did and they must have known she was there for medical reasons which makes the whole thing more distasteful to my mind.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Growing a thicker skin will not solve the problem i.e. make it go away. Can you elaborate on how it will, or why "its weak and gives the yobs another reason to be how they are".

Also do you think the 'factions' on here are dedicately fighting her corner because she is a muslim, or would they have done so irregardless of her religion. I would have said the latter.

In my opinion I think the argument you are putting forward is along the lines of "i was persecuted and grew a thicker skin, so should everyone else". Personally I don't think its a valid argument at all.

You are pretty much right in the last paragraph. Why do you think a lot of people are anti Muslim? Its not cuz you have integrated into our society because you have not you have forced change by the constant prejudice whine we hear so much of. " Oh I didnt get that job its cuz im Muslim" "why cant we build that mosque where we want is it cuz we are Muslim" "why dont you like me is it cuz im Muslim"?( Muslim can be swapped with black Pakistani Indian etc)

The country I was born in has changed to accommodate ethnic minorities but at the expense imo of our rights. Minorities settled in our country for a reason,whether 1 2 3 or more generations ago. It was because they wanted a better life than the life they had in their own countries. And before you say Islam is not a race I know this but it is only so big in this country because is been bought in from elsewhere. If their own land was not good enough why try and change ours? I have no problem with you worshipping how and where you want but why does the county have to change? PC ethics white men not able to say what they want in fear of someone screaming discrimination

And before you think I treat anyone different cuz of race have I gave you any impression of that when you have pmed me for help? no but in threads like this I will post how I feel

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by zing

You are pretty much right in the last paragraph. Why do you think a lot of people are anti Muslim?

Mass stupidity?

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by zing

You are pretty much right in the last paragraph. Why do you think a lot of people are anti Muslim? Its not cuz you have integrated into our society because you have not you have forced change by the constant prejudice whine we hear so much of. " Oh I didnt get that job its cuz im Muslim" "why cant we build that mosque where we want is it cuz we are Muslim" "why dont you like me is it cuz im Muslim"?( Muslim can be swapped with black Pakistani Indian etc)

The country I was born in has changed to accommodate ethnic minorities but at the expense imo of our rights. Minorities settled in our country for a reason,whether 1 2 3 or more generations ago. It was because they wanted a better life than the life they had in their own countries. And before you say Islam is not a race I know this but it is only so big in this country because is been bought in from elsewhere. If their own land was not good enough why try and change ours? I have no problem with you worshipping how and where you want but why does the county have to change? PC ethics white men not able to say what they want in fear of someone screaming discrimination

And before you think I treat anyone different cuz of race have I gave you any impression of that when you have pmed me for help? no but in threads like this I will post how I feel

Zing, to start with, i do not, and i say this irregardless of how you have responded to my questions, feel you treat people, as individuals, different because of race or religion.
I don't agree with some of your opinions and arguments regarding islam, immigration and minorities. I do think your view of muslims in britain as a whole, is unfair and tainted by actions of the minority of muslims. Now as far as i am aware, we have conducted our arguments and debates without causing each other offence. Unfortunately there are many instances where debate is not conducted with respect, with more often than not the offensive party hiding behind the freedom of speech act. My argument is that offensive people should not be able to get away with it. I don't see why a victim should have to grow thicker skin as you say.
At the end of the day no one really knows what was said in that hotel. I do find it sad that some of the opinions formed of the muslim woman have been made simply because she's a muslim, and before the papers printed she was a white english convert, because everyone assumed she was an immigrant.

Jesus although in your belief is not the son of God but is still a revered prophet managed to turn the other cheek in the face or prejudice and discrimination. Are we not as followers of a faith meant to follow in the example of such men?

Perhaps that's a question we should also ask the hoteliers?

Update

A Muslim woman was asked by a Christian hotelier if she was a terrorist and a murderer because she was wearing Islamic dress, a court has been told.

[Russ]

If that's true then it's totally out of order.

[nomadking]

Context?
Was it 'you are a terrorist and a murderer' or 'you could be a terrorist and a murderer hidden under those garments' or 'there are people who dress the way you are, that are terrorists and murderers' etc, etc, etc.

[papa smurf]

Mr and Mrs Vogelenzang deny using threatening, abusive or insulting words which were religiously aggravated.