Christians arrested for defending their beliefs

[soicky]

Originally Posted by nomadking

If you wanted to make a formal complaint, but it was totally at your own expense, would you more or less likely to make a formal complaint than if taxpayers are paying for it instead.

it would depend on the complaint.

[Flyboy]

Utterly irrelevant, because then ANY complaint would be at the sole privilege of the rich.

Eh? Why are you all talking about taxpayers?That's a whole other thread and off topic.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

up date

They all but called me a terrorist ... Muslim woman hits back over race row with hotel couple

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0SI9Fg2FH

I know precisely how she must have felt, I get the same feeling every time we fly out to America when I am singled out of the line for a pat down, I feel I am being treated like a Terrorist, but I just get my shoes back on and get on the plane like most do.

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

I know precisely how she must have felt, I get the same feeling every time we fly out to America when I am singled out of the line for a pat down, I feel I am being treated like a Terrorist, but I just get my shoes back on and get on the plane like most do.

That because they do it to many people, they don't single you out in a room of people and start hurling abuse at you.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Eh? Why are you all talking about taxpayers?That's a whole other thread and off topic.

Is the thread about an impending court case?
Who funds the Courts ?
Ah, the Taxpayer.
And I personally feel that the courts could be better used than for cases of hurt feelings.
Everyone has to learn that discussions are a two edged blade, apparently the " offended " gave her opinion on the " accused " religion.
So is the " Accused " meant to just accept it with no course of reply?
I could be wrong, but it seems that it was quite ok to critisise the faith that the couple have, but when the table was turned, the police were called.
Hey ho !

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Originally Posted by Damien

That because they do it to many people, they don't single you out in a room of people and start hurling abuse at you.

And you know that the " accused " hurled abuse at the " offended " ?

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

And you know that the " accused " hurled abuse at the " offended " ?

Well No, But that is what is the case is about. Since you decided to make a judgement on religious people being offended I pointed out that the accusation in this case is different to the example you give.

Originally Posted by Damien

Well No, But that is what is the case is about. Since you decided to make a judgement on religious people being offended I pointed out that the accusation in this case is different to the example you give.

I am not making any judgement on " religious " people being offended, we are all made of the same stuff whoever you pray to, so I could go to a national paper, as the complainant has in their case and complain of being all but treated like a terrorist.
Which is a strange thing really, because for apparent legal reasons the accused cannot say anything until the case goes to court but the alleged " offended " can.
When people decide to get involved in something so touchy as religious discussions things can get heated, the alleged " offended " apparently gave as good as she got but then decided to sculk off to the police and complain.
It was allegedly said by the accused that mohammed was a warlord, is that not true?
The people who decide in court will look at what was apparently said about mohammed and probably scratch their heads wondering why they are even sat where they are that particular day wasting everyones time.
I have read a lot of opinions on other forums over the case and to be honest there is not a lot of sympathy for the alleged " offended "
A lot of people see it as I do, that she has not liked the heat, but instead of getting out the kitchen has decided to, or her husband has persuaded her, to go to the police.
This whole story is symptomatic of the pc country we now live in where our national identity is being stripped layer by layer.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

The people who decide in court will look at what was apparently said about mohammed and probably scratch their heads wondering why they are even sat where they are that particular day wasting everyones time

And decide what punishment to give out. if any.

Do you want compensation? or do you want them to sign a new offensive offenders register?
What's wrong with a good old fashioned ASBO?

[nomadking]

Or do you want to bully/oppress others to make sure that Muslims can in no way be criticised no matter what they say or do?

Originally Posted by nomadking

Or do you want to bully/oppress others to make sure that Muslims can in no way be criticised no matter what they say or do?

Once again, you take things to untrure extremes to support your viewpoint - go figure.

One may think you weren't that keen on people from Muslimia.......

Originally Posted by nomadking

Or do you want to bully/oppress others to make sure that Muslims can in no way be criticised no matter what they say or do?

I want a country that at the very least respects people without unleashing a torrent of abuse should they wish to be religious or in any other way 'different'.

The comment on the Daily Mail article are sick. Those people are the bullies.

[nomadking]

So what are the repeated arrests of this type supposed to achieve, if not silencing people, making certain groups of people fearful of what they say, ie bullying/oppressing people. It's certainly not in order to have a free and open dialogue on things.

Originally Posted by nomadking

So what are the repeated arrests of this type supposed to achieve, if not silencing people, making certain groups of people fearful of what they say, ie bullying/oppressing people. It's certainly not in order to have a free and open dialogue on things.

"Repeated Arrests" is rather overkill, we still are not clear into why the Police and CPS are prosecuting this couple but it's not exactly part of a trend. I don't see it as bullying, I see it as an overreaction to the bulling this couple were alleged to have done.

They are alleged to have unleashed the verbal abuse on this woman at breakfast in front of an audience. That is bullying, it's certainly not a 'free and open' dialogue'.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

I am not making any judgement on " religious " people being offended, we are all made of the same stuff whoever you pray to, so I could go to a national paper, as the complainant has in their case and complain of being all but treated like a terrorist.

The victim in this case was not the one who went to the papers. It was the accused, at the behest of the Christian Institute. Now I would have thought that even a hint of their involvement would start to ring alarm bells. A lot has been written about the woman, who was on the receiving end of this couple's wrath, but there is precious little about the couple themselves. I wonder why the likes of the Daily Heil, The Sexpress and the Torygraph haven't delved into their background and bothered finding out anything about them?

Which is a strange thing really, because for apparent legal reasons the accused cannot say anything until the case goes to court but the alleged " offended " can.
When people decide to get involved in something so touchy as religious discussions things can get heated,

Which I would have thought, as experience service providers such as these, should have known better to have not even started a discussion on the subject.

the alleged " offended " apparently gave as good as she got but then decided to sculk off to the police and complain.
It was allegedly said by the accused that mohammed was a warlord, is that not true?

How do you know this? She was recovering from an operation, I hardly think she was in much of a position to "give as good as she got." But, on the presumption that this is what happened, what would you have expected her to have done? Just sit there meekly and take the abuse that was allegedly thrown at her?

The people who decide in court will look at what was apparently said about mohammed and probably scratch their heads wondering why they are even sat where they are that particular day wasting everyones time.

But it is more than what was said about Mohammed, she was insulted by their assertions that her religious dress was oppressive and some kind of bondage. I dare say the was a whole lot more said than that as well, but we only the Daily Heil's et al version of what they want us to know.

I have read a lot of opinions on other forums over the case and to be honest there is not a lot of sympathy for the alleged " offended "

Yes, I am sure you have, but then I don't think Stormfront's collective opinion holds much of an independent perspective to be honest. But I am sure they are just a little more than confused, to hear the the accused is an immigrant and the victim is a British born white woman.

A lot of people see it as I do, that she has not liked the heat, but instead of getting out the kitchen has decided to, or her husband has persuaded her, to go to the police.
This whole story is symptomatic of the pc country we now live in where our national identity is being stripped layer by layer.

I am sure a lot of people do see it as you do, but then I am sure there a lot of people who would rather Muslims were not allowed to stay in guest houses where white Christians go, but there you go.

This has nothing to do with an imagine PC conspiracy, what it has to do with is an individual's right, to live their lives as they wish, unharassed and unhindered by someone's yobbish behaviour and bigoted opinions.

As far as her husband is concerned, reading the woman's words, she sounds as though she has a mind of her own in these matters and her husband has little influence over her decisions. Which kind of flies in the face of the accused assertion that she was under some kind of bondage.