Christians arrested for defending their beliefs - Page 6

Russ · 20-09-2009, 20:58

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Originally Posted by SMG

Human nature.

Human nature to insist on there being a conflict when there is none?

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Please Russ, I have told you so many times, I dont read newspapers.

It wasn't aimed at you.

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I must admit, I have a grudge against bullies,

So I can count on your support when the atheist armchair experts come along and round on me in threads like this?

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Even CF members have the right to Free Speech Russ.

I'd never deny them that. But surely they can have no reason to complain when these Christians (apparently) come knocking on doors and 'bother' them in the street.

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Hmmmmmm. Have a re-think.

I just did. The answers stay the same though.

Xaccers · 20-09-2009, 21:05

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I just did. The answers stay the same though.

You've misunderstood SMG's point, which is easy to do, I had to read it several times.
To ask it a different way; what was the last war fought by athiests for their belief in no god?

Russ · 20-09-2009, 21:07

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You've misunderstood SMG's point, which is easy to do, I had to read it several times.
To ask it a different way; what was the last war fought by athiests for their belief in no god?

That's only a valid point if removing a belief in a god would reduce wars or fighting. As you know people will find any reason to fight be it land, power, racism or whatever.

Xaccers · 20-09-2009, 21:13

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That's only a valid point if removing a belief in a god would reduce wars or fighting. As you know people will find any reason to fight be it land, power, racism or whatever.

Totally agree, while religion can be a rallying factor in wars as we're seeing at the moment, in most cases any difference with the "enemy" can be used instead although probably to a lesser effect.
Religion is probably the easiest tool to use for the job.

Would an Islamic suicide bomber still blow himself up if he was instead a humanist arab?

SMG · 20-09-2009, 23:51

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You never give up do you? That last line was aimed at me

Russ, You are a very religious person, that I know from our conversations, but I dont think any of this is personal, its simply that people have different views. Anyone is entitled to their opinions m8, its when people take exception to whats being preached, or denied, that people start to get upset, like I said earlier, Human nature, being what it is, doesn`t take much to cause a conflict.

Believe me m8, we are quite capable of fighting & killing without provocation.

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Yes - plenty of them tell us there's no God etc. While they're entitlted to that view they have no right to moan when they get accosted by the 'God Squad'.

I moan when I am accosted. I dont want any of the God squad preaching THEIR beliefs to me. My view is simple, & as I have said many times.

My attitude is, if you believe, fine, just DONT bother me with YOUR beliefs.

I only get annoyed when idiots, wheather its religion or double glazing or some other subject I`m not interested in, bother me & try to either convert me, or flog their crap.

In a debate, its my choice to either flip to Datacave, or join in. People, in my opinion, have no right to try & preach their religion, or Atheism, to others.

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I must admit, I have a grudge against bullies,

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So I can count on your support when the atheist armchair experts come along and round on me in threads like this?

100%,

frogstamper · 21-09-2009, 02:40

One thought that goes through my mind, is that if people like the one's in this thread are "always" being persecuted for being offensive to Muslims, how on earth does the Daily Hate and other papers of its ilk get away with their constant drip drip anti-Muslim stories?
It seems to me this cowards paper is no better than the poop-stirrer who hides at the back of a crowd goading others to take action, whilst he holds he's hands up saying "nothing to do with me guv".
I doubt that any other newspaper has done more to alienate the nation against one section of society than this shameless rag has...and yet they still seem to get away with it.

21-09-2009, 03:02

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A Christian couple have been charged with a criminal offence after taking part in what they regarded as a reasonable discussion about religion with guests at their hotel.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0RdJnSjSo

We aren't safe in our own country anymore.

Jimmy-J · 21-09-2009, 04:09

We must choose our free speech words very carefully.

**Maggy** · 21-09-2009, 07:50

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We must choose our free speech words very carefully.

Or as my Nan used to say 'if you can't say summat nice,say nothing at all'.

21-09-2009, 08:25

To quote Steven Weinberg (Noble Prize for Physics 1979).

"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evilâ€”that takes religion. "

Xaccers · 21-09-2009, 08:30

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We aren't safe in our own country anymore.

What? Free to use threatening, abusive or insulting words?
Out of interest, do you support what those who shouted abuse at our soldiers did, now what they said, but for using abusive and insulting words?

nomadking · 21-09-2009, 08:55

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Or as my Nan used to say 'if you can't say summat nice,say nothing at all'.

But it is being suggested that it wasn't the arrested couple that started the topic. So, it may not be one side made comments that where classed as offensive and the other side didn't, but only one side complained and it happened to be the one side, the Police and the CPS would take any notice of.

Xaccers · 21-09-2009, 09:17

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But it is being suggested that it wasn't the arrested couple that started the topic. So, it may not be one side made comments that where classed as offensive and the other side didn't, but only one side complained and it happened to be the one side, the Police and the CPS would take any notice of.

If two people in a public place within earshot of me breach section 5 of the Public order act, then I'd be well within my rights to report them and expect them to be arrested.
Doesn't matter that I wasn't part of the conversation, or even if I was the other side of the room, they broke the law, I can chose to report them for it.

Stuart · 21-09-2009, 09:34

A quick question to all those who have criticised the muslims in this case:

If *you* followed a religion, and someone suggested that the founder of *that* religion was a warlord, and then suggested that the clothing that the womenfolk of *your* religion was a form of bondage, how would you react? Would you be offended? Would you just laugh it off?

And yes, if you follow no religion, you can answer this. Just imagine for a second that you did follow a religion.

I personally would be offended.

nomadking · 21-09-2009, 09:39

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If two people in a public place within earshot of me breach section 5 of the Public order act, then I'd be well within my rights to report them and expect them to be arrested.
Doesn't matter that I wasn't part of the conversation, or even if I was the other side of the room, they broke the law, I can chose to report them for it.

But this looks like a case of X starts an discussion/argument with Y, X insults Y's religion but Y brushes it aside and isn't fascist and so doesn't complain. Y then says something in reply which X deems insulting and complains to the Police. It wasn't a third party who reported it, it was a participant in the discussion.