Christians arrested for defending their beliefs - Page 5

SMG · 20-09-2009, 14:30

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Because armchair experts are only too willing to believe any headline about religion rather than research the matter objectively.

Hmmm, So the reports of riots, idiots shouting at soldiers, & so many other FILM reports are false too? I don't read any newspapers m8, I can only say what I see, in most countries where the Army has been in the last 40 years, Religion has often been the driving force behind the violence.

Maggy, Yep, I agree.

Russ · 20-09-2009, 14:33

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Hmmm, So the reports of riots, idiots shouting at soldiers, & so many other FILM reports are false too?

As you say, you weren't there, you only know what you've been told. I'm not saying it didn't happen but you're relying on reporting to form your opinion. And if you use the Mail for that then we've shown you what will go wrong.

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Religion has often been the driving force behind the violence.

As has politics, greed, weapons, drugs etc.

SMG · 20-09-2009, 15:22

[QUOTE=Russ B;34875476]As you say, you weren't there, you only know what you've been told. I'm not saying it didn't happen but you're relying on reporting to form your opinion. And if you use the Mail for that then we've shown you what will go wrong.[QUOTE]

No Russ. I said I only say what I see. Like I said, I didn't read papers.

Russ · 20-09-2009, 15:25

Do you do any other research on religions? Or do you just decide that the whole thing should be banned based on the actions of a few? I'm really curious as to why you're so against one of the main facets of my life when I (and AFAIK nobody I know) pose you no risk at all.

SMG · 20-09-2009, 19:16

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Do you do any other research on religions? Or do you just decide that the whole thing should be banned based on the actions of a few? I'm really curious as to why you're so against one of the main facets of my life when I (and AFAIK nobody I know) pose you no risk at all.

I`m certainly not against any beliefs you have. You have the right to believe what you want, & the right to say it. Just as I have the right to say what I want. As long as people don't break the law, free speech is part of our life. Not so in some countries.

We`ve been here before Russ. you are a believer, I`m a non believer.

Every war has a cause. Religion has played a very large part in most conflicts I have ever either been involved in, or read about in text books.

You believe your religion is the "true" & right one. Other people believe their religion is the right one, immediately, there is a conflict. People have killed each other for their beliefs since time began.

I have no intention of researching religion m8. I couldn't live long enough to get through them all. I prefer to spend my time doing something I want to do, even if its washing the pots.

I hold no bad feelings toward people who believe in God. Just as I hold no bad feeling toward anyone who believes in Science.

I cant remember the last time "Non believers" went onto the streets ranting & chanting about their beliefs, or the last war which had "Non believing" at its roots.

Russ · 20-09-2009, 19:25

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You believe your religion is the "true" & right one. Other people believe their religion is the right one, immediately, there is a conflict.

You've just summed up my point perfectly. Why does there have to be a conflict? I'm a Man United supporter, a few of my mates follow Liverpool, does that mean I go around their houses with stanley knives on match days? I follow Swansea, a good mate of mine supports Cardiff. Those 2 teams have one of the most violent rivalries in the UK. How is it I don't try to glass him when I walk in my local when the 2 teams are playing?

This is what I mean by religious ignorance, people automatically assume much without actually doing any research (and reading the Mail is not research). I've got no issues with people following a different deity. What I do object to is people telling me their view is right and mine is wrong (this can come from followers of other faiths or in CF's case followers of atheism). Interestingly I have never heard someone of a different faith tell me that. Ever. None of my Christian friends have tried to convert anyone. You only pay attention to the ones who hassle you in the street, or cause pain, torture or death to others.

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I cant remember the last time "Non believers" went onto the streets ranting & chanting about their beliefs

Enough atheists rant about being non-believers on CF. Some are even proud of being 'born again atheists'.

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or the last war which had "Non believing" at its roots.

Gulf? Falklands? WW1? WW2?

papa smurf · 20-09-2009, 20:14

Enough atheists rant about being non-believers on CF. Some are even proud of being 'born again atheists'.[ quote russ B]

i'd be hurt by that if i gave a hoot

Russ · 20-09-2009, 20:15

Not interested in hurting anyone - just pointing out people evangelise on all sides.

Xaccers · 20-09-2009, 20:44

We've had several "christians" on here stating atheists are wrong for their beliefs Russ, just as we've had atheists saying religious people are wrong to believe, or in a few cases that the atheists believe it to be morally wrong but not that the believer is wrong to hold their beliefs as is their right, after all each of us has a different moral code.
Oh and of course, who could forget, we've also had christians on here going as far as to say other christians aren't actually christians.

SMG · 20-09-2009, 20:48

[/QUOTE]You've just summed up my point perfectly. Why does there have to be a conflict? [/QUOTE]

Human nature.

[/QUOTE]This is what I mean by religious ignorance, people automatically assume much without actually doing any research (and reading the Mail is not research).
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Please Russ, I have told you so many times, I dont read newspapers.

[/QUOTE]You only pay attention to the ones who hassle you in the street, or cause pain, torture or death to others.?[/QUOTE]

I must admit, I have a grudge against bullies,

[/QUOTE]Enough atheists rant about being non-believers on CF. Some are even proud of being 'born again atheists'.?[/QUOTE]

Even CF members have the right to Free Speech Russ.

[/QUOTE]Gulf? Falklands? WW1? WW2?[/QUOTE]

Hmmmmmm. Have a re-think.

Russ · 20-09-2009, 20:50

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We've had several "christians" on here stating atheists are wrong for their beliefs Russ, just as we've had atheists saying religious people are wrong to believe, or in a few cases that the atheists believe it to be morally wrong but not that the believer is wrong to hold their beliefs as is their right, after all each of us has a different moral code.
Oh and of course, who could forget, we've also had christians on here going as far as to say other christians aren't actually christians.

You never give up do you? That last line was aimed at me - and saying things like that is expressing an opinion that some might find controversial (although I'm sure the majority don't care seeing as it was backed up with scriptural references to show why I came to that conclusion) but is infiniately removed from causing wars, ranting in the street, conflicts etc

Hurdy · 20-09-2009, 20:52

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Not interested in hurting anyone - just pointing out people evangelise on all sides.

Non-Christians?

Russ · 20-09-2009, 20:54

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Non-Christians?

Yes - plenty of them tell us there's no God etc. While they're entitlted to that view they have no right to moan when they get accosted by the 'God Squad'.

danielf · 20-09-2009, 20:54

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Originally Posted by SMG

I cant remember the last time "Non believers" went onto the streets ranting & chanting about their beliefs, or the last war which had "Non believing" at its roots.

'We' did buy some space on a bus though...

Xaccers · 20-09-2009, 20:55

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You never give up do you? That last line was aimed at me - and saying things like that is expressing an opinion that some might find controversial (although I'm sure the majority don't care seeing as it was backed up with scriptural references to show why I came to that conclusion) but is infiniately removed from causing wars, ranting in the street, conflicts etc

Never give what up Russ?