Christians arrested for defending their beliefs

papa smurf · 20-09-2009, 08:23

A Christian couple have been charged with a criminal offence after taking part in what they regarded as a reasonable discussion about religion with guests at their hotel.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0RdJnSjSo

Paul K · 20-09-2009, 08:27

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It is understood that they suggested that Mohammed, the founder of Islam, was a warlord and that traditional Muslim dress for women was a form of bondage

Can't imagine why that didn't go down well.

papa smurf · 20-09-2009, 08:47

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Originally Posted by Paul

Can't imagine why that didn't go down well.

neither can i , everyone is entitled to there beliefs ,cant see why a debate about religion and dress should end up in court

Paul K · 20-09-2009, 08:48

Maybe someone either didn't want the debate, the debate went too far or the person complaining didn't like what they heard. Either way I don't see how a debate should be classed worthy of court.

20-09-2009, 08:52

well in this biased towards the minority system we have in this country I can see it. The charges are clear

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They have been charged under public order laws with using ‘threatening, abusive or insulting words’ that were ‘religiously aggravated’.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214666/Christian-hotel-owners-hauled-court-defending-beliefs-discussion-Muslim-guest.html#ixzz0RdQsp7ne

racially aggravated public order offense. Something you would normally receive a caution( apart from the racially bit) for unless its with some uptight religious idiot who then wants to say its racsist although time and again we its been said Muslims are not a race

I do think for the standard white christian or none Islamic citizen in this country our freedom to express opinions has been quashed in favour of pandering to Islam

Xaccers · 20-09-2009, 09:40

Religiously aggravated public order offence, do try to read your own quotes zing

Last I checked, it's not a christian belief that Mohammed was a warlord and that traditional middle eastern dress is a form of bondage.
I don't know, maybe one of the christians on this forum could comment on whether that's part of their religious beliefs?

**Hugh** · 20-09-2009, 09:46

And we are only hearing from one side - the Mail and the couple who have been charged.

nomadking · 20-09-2009, 09:53

This might well be the only country in the world where this could happen. Even the Taliban allowed people to have their own beliefs. It comes to something when it could be said that the Taliban are more tolerant about something than the Government of this country.

Link

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Hindus in Afghanistan have not been the target of persecution and have generally been allowed to practice their religion freely. However, over decades of war, the number of Hindus has dwindled from a high of about 50,000 during the 1970s to 500 in the capital and small pockets elsewhere.

The head of the religious police, Mohammed Wali, said on Tuesday that the plan would be implemented soon.

Shaheen said that the main purpose for the measure was to keep Hindus from being stopped by religious police and to prevent Muslims from claiming they are Hindu when violating religious laws.

Muslim men are required to wear beards in Afghanistan, and they sometimes claim they're Hindu when arrested for shaving, Shaheen said. Conversely, clean-shaven Hindus are sometimes arrested erroneously, he added. Also â€” until this ruling â€” Hindu women in Afghanistan were not forced to wear the head-to-toe covering called a burqa as Muslim women are.

Stuart · 20-09-2009, 10:04

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Originally Posted by nomadking

This might well be the only country in the world where this could happen. Even the Taliban allowed people to have their own beliefs. It comes to something when it could be said that the Taliban are more tolerant about something than the Government of this country.

We *are* tolerant in this country. We are free to believe what we wish. The problem arose in this case because the Christians called Mohammed a warlord and said that the way they dress their women was a form of bondage.

How would Christians react if a Muslim insulted their way of life in a similar way.

**Damien** · 20-09-2009, 10:07

We don't know all the details, you might want to hold back the wave of righteous anger until we find out what they actually said. Since as Foreverwar pointed out we only have the side of the accused and the Daily Mail, who will always be against the Muslim side.

BenMcr · 20-09-2009, 10:10

Of course you also need to see where the article came from in the first place.

20-09-2009, 10:13

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Religiously aggravated public order offence, do try to read your own quotes zing

Last I checked, it's not a christian belief that Mohammed was a warlord and that traditional middle eastern dress is a form of bondage.
I don't know, maybe one of the christians on this forum could comment on whether that's part of their religious beliefs?

oopps me bad lol

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Originally Posted by Damien

We don't know all the details, you might want to hold back the wave of righteous anger until we find out what they actually said. Since as Foreverwar pointed out we only have the side of the accused and the Daily Mail, who will always be against the Muslim side.

how often does anybody on either side of the fence hold back on here

BenMcr · 20-09-2009, 10:14

P.S it's in the Telegraph as well http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...lim-guest.html

But not in the Liverpool Echo

nomadking · 20-09-2009, 10:15

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

We *are* tolerant in this country. We are free to believe what we wish. The problem arose in this case because the Christians called Mohammed a warlord and said that the way they dress their women was a form of bondage.

How would Christians react if a Muslim insulted their way of life in a similar way.

Depends on who 'We' refers to. There is the general population and then there are those in control.

They do, all the time.

If something/someone is allowed to be praised, then it/they must be allowed to be criticised. Otherwise what is left is a distorted viewpoint.

20-09-2009, 10:19

I personally have had to see the religion I followed bad mouthed on a regular basis. I will discuss with anyone and if someone saying something nasty about what I think then I certainly do not go running to the man and tittle tackle. Some of these Muslim moaners (and I now its a minority of them) need to grow some balls