Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009) - Page 196

royaltiger · 03-08-2009, 18:41

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Originally Posted by Nook29

I'm not claiming that upscaled SD is as good as HD, but I'm saying it isn't as far away as you're claiming. I'd love for everything to go HD, but that simply isn't going to happen, and saying SD has outstayed its welcome by about 15 years is also rubbish. To me, the V+ does a great job of upscaling for something that cost just Â£49, and I'm sure more expensive equipment will do a better job. The fact remains the same, upscaled SD looks fantastic, regardless of whether HD is better, it isn't THAT far behind.

Its also a shame the sound does not match the quality of HD

Nook29 · 03-08-2009, 18:45

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Originally Posted by royaltiger

Its also a shame the sound does not match the quality of HD

Very true, that is the most noticeable difference for me.

royaltiger · 03-08-2009, 18:48

ESPN HD running adverts now

Pushkar · 03-08-2009, 19:00

ESPN HD is now up showing the Man Utd game in a sec.

call08 · 03-08-2009, 19:02

not in hd thoe espn hd only showing the match in a higher bit rate

Pushkar · 03-08-2009, 19:08

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Originally Posted by call08

not in hd thoe espn hd only showing the match in a higher bit rate

Mmm that's what I thought, it doesn't look like full HD.

zantarous · 03-08-2009, 19:13

Not a great picture, lets just hope that is because of the way Setanta recorded it and not how new live sport will look like. Hopefully the baseball at midnight will look better or be in HD.

Also noted that ESPN America is in 4:3, is this always the case or it depends what sport is on?

call08 · 03-08-2009, 19:16

notice it has just the logo espn no hd next to it must be when the basball tonight

Fred Fish · 03-08-2009, 19:37

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Originally Posted by Nook29

I'm not claiming that upscaled SD is as good as HD, but I'm saying it isn't as far away as you're claiming. I'd love for everything to go HD, but that simply isn't going to happen, and saying SD has outstayed its welcome by about 15 years is also rubbish. To me, the V+ does a great job of upscaling for something that cost just Â£49, and I'm sure more expensive equipment will do a better job. The fact remains the same, upscaled SD looks fantastic, regardless of whether HD is better, it isn't THAT far behind.

Nook29 - I totaly agree with you. I think that the quality of upscaled SD through the V+ box is great. Sure it might be better through some other platforms - bit the V+ box does a great job (IMHO)

moroboshi · 03-08-2009, 19:43

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Originally Posted by Nook29

I'm not claiming that upscaled SD is as good as HD, but I'm saying it isn't as far away as you're claiming. I'd love for everything to go HD, but that simply isn't going to happen, and saying SD has outstayed its welcome by about 15 years is also rubbish. To me, the V+ does a great job of upscaling for something that cost just Â£49, and I'm sure more expensive equipment will do a better job. The fact remains the same, upscaled SD looks fantastic, regardless of whether HD is better, it isn't THAT far behind.

SD will go away, just as black and white and 4:3 ratio did before it. It's already happened in Japan, where HDTVs have been available for well over a decade and HD programming is simply the standard. In the US all the major networks have HD channels and the vast majority of US drama is now produced in HD. I don't know why you are having so much trouble seeing the way TV tech is trending.

If you think upscaling is almost as good as HD (which it technically clearly isn't) then you must either have a small TV, a poor quality TV, be sitting too far away from the TV, have poor eyesight, or any combination of those. HD on a good sized (50"+) 1080p HDTV from an appropriate viewing distance represents a huge leap in picture quality over SD. It's akin to going from VHS to DVD, more so in fact.

Ultimately this is a pointless debate because HD is where TV is headed and even Virgin recognise it now. Feel free to enjoy your upscalled low-res content though, knock yourself out. Personally I rarely watch SD now, months can go by without me ever having to see it.

Oh and the price of the V+ is subsided. When you agree to rent one you are locking yourself into a lengthy contract, which is where Virgin milks you. Same concept with mobile phones. (how else could you get an iPhone (which is a device with several hundred of pounds worth of tech in it) for a minimal charge)

Nook29 · 03-08-2009, 19:59

moroboshi - Let's just agree to disagree. This thread isn't for debates on upscaling quality, we clearly have different views on it.

Been watching the football on ESPN HD (despite it not being in HD), and am enjoying it. It was a good game though, the second half should be great to see again.

03-08-2009, 20:01

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Originally Posted by virginruinedntl

nook, he's saying that the upscale processing engines in the ps3 and toshiba's xde are far better than in regular upscaling dvd player or the V+ box which is true, the algorithms are much better and there are many reviews out there to prove this.

There is a review of the V+ upscaling? You dont have a link do you?

royaltiger · 03-08-2009, 20:09

I think its only Nat Geo that has been broadcasting true HD since all HD channels have come on as its the only channel showing dolby digital on the amp, all others are pro logic as the SD channels. That was one of the things I was looking forward to the improvement in sound quality.

Raitei · 03-08-2009, 20:10

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Originally Posted by Nook29

the second half should be great to see again.

or horrible, for me atleast

braysoj1 · 03-08-2009, 20:12

espn classic after 12 it say discontinued service any 1 else getting it