Pandemic (Swine) Flu

Originally Posted by superbiatch

Thats what i've been led to believe Zing

It does make sense to me. I feel this distribution of Tamiflu is a calm the public measure making them think that they are actually getting treated when in all fairness I believe the only ones really getting treated are those who end up in the hands of the medical profession and who are seriously ill.

Afterall we have all been told there is no cure for the common cold which translates to no cure for a virus.

What gets me is where all this panic is coming from..No one I know has it or is worrying about getting it..let alone phoning up about it.

[nffc]

If I had flu I wouldn't want to stand by the phone and answer questions. We don't get tamiflu and have flu hotlines when it's the winter...

[joglynne]

At the beginning of August my Niece is traveling from Manchester to France by train which necessitates a short trip on foot between stations in London. She is insisting that she and her 3 children wear face masks and surgical gloves for the whole time she is in the Capital. Her husband is flatly refusing to wear his much to her annoyance.

If any one sees them please say Hi from Auntie Jo.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

What gets me is where all this panic is coming from..No one I know has it or is worrying about getting it..let alone phoning up about it.

Maggy this flu is acting differently than any other flu. Its the fastest spreading pandemic in a long long time. Its spreading during summer which is also rare. The flu virus can mutate and become worse very easily and the vaccine will not be ready before the weather turns and its possibly resurges. The resurge may not happen as it may not go anywhere.

I think apathy could be our downfall maybe not with this flu but if Birdflu mutates and passes between humans we could have very serious consequences of our apathy.

I am worried about where this flu could go . Its not ruining my life but I am concerned about the winter. If the danger wasnt real do you think the government would not have spent so much time and money into putting in place what they have done?

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Originally Posted by nffc

If I had flu I wouldn't want to stand by the phone and answer questions. We don't get tamiflu and have flu hotlines when it's the winter...

Seasonal flu is not a pandemic and it tends not to be a new strain this is a new strain so there is no inherited immunity

[nffc]

Originally Posted by zing

Maggy this flu is acting differently than any other flu. Its the fastest spreading pandemic in a long long time. Its spreading during summer which is also rare.

It's only spreading quickly because, as you said, it is a new strain and no-one is really immune to it. People get colds in summer, just less - and in any case, there is still the possibility it could be mistaken for other things.

Originally Posted by zing

I think apathy could be our downfall maybe not with this flu but if Birdflu mutates and passes between humans we could have very serious consequences of our apathy.

H5Nx will never be as contagious as H1Nx because its site is lower in the respiratory tract (the lungs, not the throat) and so whilst the illness is more severe (which also means it is more likely to immobilise people, so that stops them spreading it) it is also less easy for people to cough and sneeze out the virus. So you have the severe, non-contagious strain and the non-severe, contagious strain...

Originally Posted by zing

I am worried about where this flu could go . Its not ruining my life but I am concerned about the winter.

not a lot you can do getting worked up about getting it... might as well just live normally and if you get it... you get it. It's not as though people get all scary about flu and norovirus normally.

Originally Posted by zing

If the danger wasnt real do you think the government would not have spent so much time and money into putting in place what they have done?

And it isn't like governments to instil fear into the population to make them reliant on the government is it? Fact is the government and the media can overhype things...

Originally Posted by zing

Seasonal flu is not a pandemic and it tends not to be a new strain this is a new strain so there is no inherited immunity

No, it's endemic because it's in the community already - flu mutates all the time anyway, which is why you get it more than once. How badly you get it depends on the infective dose, your exposure to it and also how your immune system deals with it - fever, aches and stuff are all part of your immune response to deal with the virus.

Originally Posted by joglynne

At the beginning of August my Niece is traveling from Manchester to France by train which necessitates a short trip on foot between stations in London. She is insisting that she and her 3 children wear face masks and surgical gloves for the whole time she is in the Capital. Her husband is flatly refusing to wear his much to her annoyance.

If any one sees them please say Hi from Auntie Jo.

I don't really think the masks do anything at all. Only for a short while and only if you actually have it, and then it stops you breathing out the virus.

[joglynne]

Originally Posted by nffc

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I don't really think the masks do anything at all. Only for a short while and only if you actually have it, and then it stops you breathing out the virus.

Not much use at all as a preventative measure as once they are damp, they don’t work and because of respiration they become damp fairly quickly and any virus would just seep in or out.

Even if you only wear them for a short while, if it has been contaminated, you could still infect yourself by handling the mask as you take it off and dispose of it.

Originally Posted by zing

Maggy this flu is acting differently than any other flu. Its the fastest spreading pandemic in a long long time. Its spreading during summer which is also rare. The flu virus can mutate and become worse very easily and the vaccine will not be ready before the weather turns and its possibly resurges. The resurge may not happen as it may not go anywhere.

I think apathy could be our downfall maybe not with this flu but if Birdflu mutates and passes between humans we could have very serious consequences of our apathy.

I am worried about where this flu could go . Its not ruining my life but I am concerned about the winter. If the danger wasnt real do you think the government would not have spent so much time and money into putting in place what they have done?

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Seasonal flu is not a pandemic and it tends not to be a new strain this is a new strain so there is no inherited immunity

So I ask you how many people do YOU know who has swine fever?

How about a show of hands among us as to how many of us are acquainted with anyone who has it or has had it..and I mean actually KNOW they have have/had it?

[Sir John Luke]

I don't know anyone with swine fever, but I know one with swine flu, and I also know there is an outbreak where my daughter works (ironically, for a private health insurance company). The symptoms are no worse than any other flu, as far as I know, but it does exist!

[AntiSilence]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

What gets me is where all this panic is coming from..No one I know has it or is worrying about getting it..let alone phoning up about it.

I know a couple of people who've got it. And my business partner also works in a school (IT tech) where they had several pupils and staff of with it.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

So I ask you how many people do YOU know who has swine fever?

How about a show of hands among us as to how many of us are acquainted with anyone who has it or has had it..and I mean actually KNOW they have have/had it?

My ex wifes sisters husband has had it and luckily her sister didnt catch it but thats the only person I know

[Matthew]

Originally Posted by superbiatch

This is totally getting out of hand in work. We've been told today that all non-essential services (ours being one of them) are to come to a halt while all staff will have to take turns on a rota to man the anti-viral clinics. We have over 100 staff in the health improvement team and we're all being rota'd in for our hours on a 7 day week, 8am to 8pm clinic rota.

Well when our target is missed because of pulling the whole team out and shutting down the service - i hope they remember that. Service reputation is hard to build up and its not something you can get back overnight. Sorry, rant over.

I work for my local trust in the IT department and they are pretty much wanting to pull us out of doing our work to do this, its not practical for an IT Engineer to do this, we have too much on and alot to support so an engineer needs to be available.

It's all overated to be honest, best fix rather than the tamiflu is to have a week off work, relax, chill and let your body deal with it naturally. The Tamiflu stuff can actually make you worse that actual Swine Flu.

It's all big scam to cover up the MP expenses scandle (I apologise if this has been mentioned, not read the whole thread just wanted to add my bit)

/rant over

[Derek]

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[AntiSilence]

Originally Posted by Derek S

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Excellent lol

Originally Posted by Derek S

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