For all those who hire Limos or are thinking about hiring one. - Page 2

rogerdraig · 22-07-2009, 14:57

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Originally Posted by Nidge

If you are carrying anything over 8 fare paying passengers you need a PSV licence, if you are carrying them free of charge you can drive the vehicle on a normal car licence.

the point there is fare paying

this is the problem as they will point out when they are investigated that they only hired out a vehicle then those hiring it used a driver

let me explain 16 of you decide to go away to a match and hire your own mini bus one of you decides not to drink and drives does he need a PSV ?

answer is no

now we reduce that to 15 but no one wants to drive so some one asks another mate if he is willing to come as long as he doesnt drink to drive them

does he need a PSV ?

NO

however if you pay him Just for the trip there and back then he does

see where this gets complicated ?

there have been loads of these raids by VOSA and the police but very few result in any court action as under the rules as they are its fairly easy to avoid getting prosecuted

what is needed is clearer rules proper licensing of these vehicles not headline grabbing raids

Stuart · 22-07-2009, 15:03

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Originally Posted by Graham M

Off-topic but we were doing proms when I was at school nearly 10 years ago so it's not a new thing by any means.

We didn't have proms, but we had an end-of-school dance..

Escapee · 22-07-2009, 16:48

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Originally Posted by rogermevans

the point there is fare paying

this is the problem as they will point out when they are investigated that they only hired out a vehicle then those hiring it used a driver

let me explain 16 of you decide to go away to a match and hire your own mini bus one of you decides not to drink and drives does he need a PSV ?

answer is no

now we reduce that to 15 but no one wants to drive so some one asks another mate if he is willing to come as long as he doesnt drink to drive them

does he need a PSV ?

NO

however if you pay him Just for the trip there and back then he does

see where this gets complicated ?

there have been loads of these raids by VOSA and the police but very few result in any court action as under the rules as they are its fairly easy to avoid getting prosecuted

what is needed is clearer rules proper licensing of these vehicles not headline grabbing raids

I wonder if there are any insurance restrictions if the vehicle or driver is not psv.

I know it has become increasingly difficult for collectors of classic buses to obtain insurance for carrying passenger over a certain number. One of my friends has a classic bus and used to provide free transport at a local railway preservation society open day, I know that due to the insurance issues he no longer does this.

rogerdraig · 22-07-2009, 17:52

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Originally Posted by Escapee

I wonder if there are any insurance restrictions if the vehicle or driver is not psv.

I know it has become increasingly difficult for collectors of classic buses to obtain insurance for carrying passenger over a certain number. One of my friends has a classic bus and used to provide free transport at a local railway preservation society open day, I know that due to the insurance issues he no longer does this.

you would think so as the insurance company could end up in more trouble than the operators but they still seem willing to insure these vehicles

22-07-2009, 18:47

At the end of the day nearly all of the Limos are breaking the law when they are carrying passengers, I've seen 16 getting out of a battered up old Lincoln once in Nottingham, I wondered how it stopped together.

None of the drivers are licensed by their local Councils, they haven't had an enhanced CRB records check, no medical no nothing.

Stuart · 22-07-2009, 18:57

I don't know if it applies here, but I know that when my father was a Mini Cab driver, he had to have Public Carriage Insurance. I don't know if that was a legal requirement or a requirement of the firm though (they have a good reputation in our borough, and apparently work quite hard to keep it).

rogerdraig · 22-07-2009, 20:38

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

I don't know if it applies here, but I know that when my father was a Mini Cab driver, he had to have Public Carriage Insurance. I don't know if that was a legal requirement or a requirement of the firm though (they have a good reputation in our borough, and apparently work quite hard to keep it).

they need nothing but their driving licence and insurance to drive because they are not being taxi drivers or bus drivers they are merely being a driver for some one who has hired a vehicle

until the law changes and they recognise that these vehicles are here to stay it seems that the public wont get the protection that the taxi and or psv requirement give

frogstamper · 23-07-2009, 01:04

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Originally Posted by roadwolf

I don't get out a lot,

It's still a stupid Americanism that we could have managed without, much like limo's.

Maybe its my age showing wolfie

but I couldn't agree more, an end of year prom!!! What was wrong with the old school disco??

BenMcr · 23-07-2009, 01:47

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Originally Posted by frogstamper

What was wrong with the old school disco??

Based on my experience, many many things!

moaningmags · 23-07-2009, 01:59

Having just gone through my 3rd prom with a 3rd limo for my 4th child leaving primary school I can honestly say, yes it's expensive but well worth it.

The dress, the tiara, the heels, a lot of the kids looked like mini adults but most looked like fairy princesses.
The limos were varied from the typical white stretch limo to the stretch hummer that was well kitted out and looked brand new.
The driver was great, careful and very conscious of having our kids in his limo.
The best thing? The kids absolutely loved it

The limo was massive compared to the kids but as you can see my daughter was seriously excited to be going.

24-07-2009, 14:57

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Originally Posted by moaningmags

Having just gone through my 3rd prom with a 3rd limo for my 4th child leaving primary school I can honestly say, yes it's expensive but well worth it.

The dress, the tiara, the heels, a lot of the kids looked like mini adults but most looked like fairy princesses.
The limos were varied from the typical white stretch limo to the stretch hummer that was well kitted out and looked brand new.
The driver was great, careful and very conscious of having our kids in his limo.
The best thing? The kids absolutely loved it

The limo was massive compared to the kids but as you can see my daughter was seriously excited to be going.

Everything looks good when the kids get out but it doesn't look like that when ones been in an accident, 80% of limos in the UK are running illegally.

rogerdraig · 24-07-2009, 17:30

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Originally Posted by Nidge

Everything looks good when the kids get out but it doesn't look like that when ones been in an accident, 80% of limos in the UK are running illegally.

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i dont think that's correct i think its 80% unlicensed but thats because they wont licence them