Stop Tony Blair becoming EU president - Page 3

Sirius · 01-07-2009, 22:57

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Originally Posted by Matt D

"Setback for Tony Blair's ambition to be president of Europe"

I just hope that lying cheating git does not get anywhere with it.

Osem · 15-07-2009, 20:16

Well it looks like his nomination by HMG is a done deal...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8152099.stm

Let's hope others in Europe see sense and prevent this travesty.

Can anyone think of any bigger political leeches than the Kinnocks BTW?

ntluser · 15-07-2009, 20:30

Tony Blair would not even figure on my list of candidates.

Funny how all his old cronies forget that it was his New Labour that caused the credit crunch crisis we are now in.

We need a politician who uses common sense and puts the people first and that is definitely not Tony Blair.

On the other hand, maybe Blair's potential appointment will motivate other politicians to get us out of the EU.

Osem · 15-07-2009, 21:09

It says something about the widespread loathing of Bliar that, despite the obvious kudos and national pride there'd be to have a British EU president, most people here would clearly prefer that he didn't get the job.

ntluser · 15-07-2009, 21:19

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Originally Posted by Osem

It says something about the widespread loathing of Bliar that, despite the obvious kudos and national pride there'd be to have a British EU president, most people here would clearly prefer that he didn't get the job.

I think we'd all be pleased to have a British EU president so long as the president ran the EU well with integrity,honesty & transparency and wasn't Tony Blair.

Osem · 15-07-2009, 21:23

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Originally Posted by ntluser

I think we'd all be pleased to have a British EU president so long as the president ran the EU well with integrity,honesty & transparency and wasn't Tony Blair.

Yes, "integrity, honesty and transparency" aren't terms you'd associate with New Labour are they.

16-07-2009, 00:41

Another dirty little backroom deal coming to pass here i think and completely in line with what i expect from labour.

downquark1 · 17-07-2009, 15:04

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-1748275.html

Is it me or he's starting to look like emperor palpatine?

17-07-2009, 17:54

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Originally Posted by downquark1

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-1748275.html

Is it me or he's starting to look like emperor palpatine?

If ever there was an advertisement for the damage that can be done by overexposure to sunbeds, its that piccy of Tony the Clown....

harrystone · 17-07-2009, 18:24

Why not just let it be?

17-07-2009, 19:00

The post of EU president doesn't even exist until the Lisbon Treaty has been ratified by Ireland, so all the talk is a bit premature, and I'd still be amazed if Blair gets the job if it's ever vacant.

All this talk about personalities does mean that other important issues are pushed off the agenda. For example, the EU plans lots of new legislation in the Justice and Home affairs field. We know little of what is planned and this is one of the things the media should focus on.

ntluser · 18-07-2009, 13:37

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Originally Posted by freezin

The post of EU president doesn't even exist until the Lisbon Treaty has been ratified by Ireland, so all the talk is a bit premature, and I'd still be amazed if Blair gets the job if it's ever vacant.

All this talk about personalities does mean that other important issues are pushed off the agenda. For example, the EU plans lots of new legislation in the Justice and Home affairs field. We know little of what is planned and this is one of the things the media should focus on.

You may not have noticed but Ireland are doing something that France & the Netherland did not do..they are planning a second vote. In other words, those at the top of the EU gravy train are going to do any deal or any trick to ensure that it is ratified. Gordon Brown's trick is not to give us a referendum because it's apparent that a lot of people here would vote "No".

There are lots of issues but the first one is to remove a PM and a party that is more focused on their own interests rather than the interests of the British people.

Maybe then we will get a government that puts our wishes & interests first.

18-07-2009, 14:30

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Originally Posted by ntluser

You may not have noticed but Ireland are doing something that France & the Netherland did not do..they are planning a second vote. In other words, those at the top of the EU gravy train are going to do any deal or any trick to ensure that it is ratified. Gordon Brown's trick is not to give us a referendum because it's apparent that a lot of people here would vote "No".

There are lots of issues but the first one is to remove a PM and a party that is more focused on their own interests rather than the interests of the British people.

Maybe then we will get a government that puts our wishes & interests first.

I've certainly noticed the pressure on Ireland to vote yes, including that placed on them by their own politicians and the politicians of other states, including Gordon Brown. It reminds me of the pressure placed on Denmark when it voted against a previous treaty, and amongst those applying the pressure that time was our very own John Major. The contempt our political classes have for the will of the people beggars belief.

I'm all for removing "a PM and a party that is more focused on their own interests rather than the interests of the British people" but replacing these with another government "that is more focused on their own interests ...." is no solution at all. I can't see how one that is obliged to follow policies covering every aspect of our lives and decided by majority voting in EU institutions and by the European Commission, instead of by the electorate, can possibly be anything else.

Like I said, justice and home affairs policy will be of major interest in the EU.

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At the meeting of the European Council on 5 November 2004, a five-year action plan for cooperation on judicial matters and home affairs was adopted. The plan, known as the Hague Programme, includes police and customs cooperation, rescue services, criminal and civil law cooperation, asylum, migration, visas and checks at external borders, etc. The first strategic action plan in the area of justice and home affairs was adopted in Tampere in 1999. The current plan, the Hague Programme, which was adopted in November 2004, expires in December 2009. Producing guidelines for future work in the form of a new action plan, the Stockholm Programme, will be a major and important negotiating task for the Swedish Presidency.

http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/11666/a/120682

This has even roused other Europeans to protest. The European Civil Liberties network says the EU has take a "dangerously authoritarian turn".

http://www.ecln.org/ECLN-statement-o...l-2009-eng.pdf

So get a government that follows our wishes? We've made it clear that we don't all have the same wishes, but I can't see one even coming close, certainly not from the Tories. They hate even talking about 'Europe'. We are truly in a post-democratic age.

But each to his or her own.

Peter_ · 18-07-2009, 14:52

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Originally Posted by ntluser

Maybe then we will get a government that puts our wishes & interests first.

Now that would be first and not in our or anyone elses lifetimes I think.

18-07-2009, 16:50

If this vote fails again in Ireland there will be another and another and another until everyone gets so damn tired and just votes it in thats how the EU works. They don't care and never listen to what the citizens of europe want we have a bunch of has been politicians that want power again and know they won't get it in their own country. We would be a lot better off if we went into a free trade only agreement and dumped all this political joining together rubbish which is something that only those politicians and minority supporters of the EU want.