Ronnie biggs refused but now granted parole

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I am not going to be drawn into an argument here, but l will say, is there are people that have commited worse crimes than RB, If you want to go further than the Bulger case, what about the Carr girl along with Huntley, Carr probabely and almost certainly knew where the two poor girls were, but kept her trap shut, she is now a free woman, with a fellow and a new ID and has two det's with her for her protection, l won't say anymore, as the law is in this country is a joke, we have villians walking free, after they commit crime, and yet some poor git is dying in prison for a crime comitted years ago, there has been worst crimes since.

[Lew]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I am not going to be drawn into an argument here, but l will say, is there are people that have commited worse crimes than RB…

…and if any of them escaped, fled the country and came back once they were skint we'd be saying the same thing.

Is it really that difficult for you to understand?

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I am not going to be drawn into an argument here, but l will say, is there are people that have commited worse crimes than RB, If you want to go further than the Bulger case, what about the Carr girl along with Huntley, Carr probabely and almost certainly knew where the two poor girls were, but kept her trap shut, she is now a free woman, with a fellow and a new ID and has two det's with her for her protection, l won't say anymore, as the law is in this country is a joke, we have villians walking free, after they commit crime, and yet some poor git is dying in prison for a crime comitted years ago, there has been worst crimes since.

It's not particularly the actual crime that he committed Arthur - it's the fact that he escaped, bogged off to Brazil, and then laughed in the face of British justice for 30 years.

If he'd stayed here, his sentence would have been completed 10-15 years ago - the stupid sod's only got himself to blame frankly

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

He didn't pay tax or NI for the entire time he wasn't in this country.Or do you know different?

and he didn't use any services or benefits (including the prison service) or do you think it appropriate for ex pats to continue paying tax here whilst living abroad?

As for the hospital wing that's just a red herring and a perfectly valid comment seeing as we have overcrowded prisons and there aren't enough spaces for all the lags we have without building special hospital wing for a very small number of inmates

A red herring provided by you, 1.5 mil won't reduce anything on the scale needed and I see your all for making space now, well 1 space could be made very easily....

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Originally Posted by Damien

He didn't just steal some money, his group seriously assulted the driver, stole 2.6 million, he then broke out of jail and spent the majority of his life with the money he had stolen in South America.

Now he is back people want to let him off? He is not a hero, he was a criminal.

He played a minor role in that crime and has served a sentence longer than most get for killing people so he is hardly being 'let of'. Oh and where here has anyone called him a hero? The man is a bit of a plank and was a useless criminal imo

He played a minor role in that crime and has served a sentence longer than most get for killing people so he is hardly being 'let of'. Oh and where here has anyone called him a hero? The man is a bit of a plank and was a useless criminal imo

He also fled the country for 30 years, with the stolen money. IMO That means he has no right to early parole. He has already lived the best years of his life outside the justice system.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

and he didn't use any services or benefits (including the prison service) or do you think it appropriate for ex pats to continue paying tax here whilst living abroad?

Actually quite a few do and he's no ex pat..he didn't emigrate, he ran away from justice.So as he's hardly paid any taxes or NI he's not really eligible for a pension or any other amenities that upright citizens are due.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

He also fled the country for 30 years, with the stolen money. IMO That means he has no right to early parole. He has already lived the best years of his life outside the justice system.

You are making him out to be some sort of criminal master mind, his cut of the robbery was 40k, that shows how significant his role was and when he was tracked down to Australia he was found to be working as a gardner IIRC

Jack Straw talks about the lack of respect Biggs showed our justice system, well what about the lack of respect you show it Jacky boy, your quite happy to keep a sick old man locked up when even Nazi war criminals were let out on compasionate grounds and release killers after 24 months.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Actually quite a few do and he's no ex pat..he didn't emigrate, he ran away from justice.So as he's hardly paid any taxes or NI he's not really eligible for a pension or any other amenities that upright citizens are due.

I would imagine a pension is the last thing on his mind and in terms of amenities he'd actually be saving the taxpayer money if he was released, considering it's costing over 2k a day keeping him locked up

Aaaaand he's back where he belongs...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/8155823.stm

[Derek]

He's been released on compassionate grounds.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

He's free tomorrow

[joglynne]

Ronnie Biggs will be released on Friday, the day before his 80th birthday, amid warnings from his lawyer that he is close to death.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...%27/article.do

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by mr,m

What a load of nonsense this is.
This story is Manna from Heaven for our pathetic excuse for a government. Look how strong and tough we are with violent criminals, yeah right! Unfortunately for Mr.Biggs, he chose to steal some money, in this country this seems to be the ultimate crime,Yup stealing some money, so he must now rot in hell, what a joke!
What (as an examle) are the killers of young James Bulger up to now? After virtually butchering him they received, eventually, 15 years, of which they served 8. They were given new id's and probably lead a happy life now, oh, of course, they just hacked a toddler to pieces. If they had stolen a couple of mill they'd still be banged up, regarded as dangerous criminals.
Jeeze our justice system is a damned joke, all Huntley has to do is say "oh, sorry about that" and he'll be out as well.
What use is there in keeping Biggs inside, answer, Mr.Straw means business, YEAH !!

Originally Posted by mr,m

What a load of nonsense this is.
This story is Manna from Heaven for our pathetic excuse for a government. Look how strong and tough we are with violent criminals, yeah right! Unfortunately for Mr.Biggs, he chose to steal some money, in this country this seems to be the ultimate crime,Yup stealing some money, so he must now rot in hell, what a joke!
What (as an examle) are the killers of young James Bulger up to now? After virtually butchering him they received, eventually, 15 years, of which they served 8. They were given new id's and probably lead a happy life now, oh, of course, they just hacked a toddler to pieces. If they had stolen a couple of mill they'd still be banged up, regarded as dangerous criminals.
Jeeze our justice system is a damned joke, all Huntley has to do is say "oh, sorry about that" and he'll be out as well.
What use is there in keeping Biggs inside, answer, Mr.Straw means business, YEAH !!

I think his crime was far more Unfortunate for Jack Mills than Ronnie Biggs who actually had a pretty decent life as a result of the robbery. He took off with some of the money and lived South America. He hasn't had to serve most of his sentence as a result of coming back so late into his life.

So may I ask what is Unfortunate about his case? That he had to serve anytime at all? He should have been given a clean slate because all he did was "Steal some money"? (He also absconded from Jail, also a crime).

Why do people feel the need to make him into some sort of folk hero, his crime was not minor, it was serious! He boasted about it, lived a good life because of it, and refused to show remorse for it. So please don't try to push the Ronnie Biggs hero rubbish.

Still he is out now,There is probably no need to keep him in jail, I hope his family get some decent time with him. Being compassionate is an important part of our country and culture and it's sad that the general public mood if often against these kinds of acts. Criminals are usual '****' unless they have a a campaign akin to the one mounted for Biggs.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think his crime was far more Unfortunate for Jack Mills than Ronnie Biggs who actually had a pretty decent life as a result of the robbery. He took off with some of the money and lived South America. He hasn't had to serve most of his sentence as a result of coming back so late into his life.

So may I ask what is Unfortunate about his case? That he had to serve anytime at all? He should have been given a clean slate because all he did was "Steal some money"? (He also absconded from Jail, also a crime).

Why do people feel the need to make him into some sort of folk hero, his crime was not minor, it was serious! He boasted about it, lived a good life because of it, and refused to show remorse for it. So please don't try to push the Ronnie Biggs hero rubbish.

Still he is out now,There is probably no need to keep him in jail, I hope his family get some decent time with him. Being compassionate is an important part of our country and culture and it's sad that the general public mood if often against these kinds of acts. Criminals are usual '****' unless they have a a campaign akin to the one mounted for Biggs.

He played a very minor role in that serious crime, wasn't involved in the planning and never hit anyone that night, for everyone making him out to be a hero (not that I have seen anyone here say that) there will be some one else making him out to be a criminal master mind and what was he doing in Australia when he first escaped, working as a gardener, talk about living the high life, oh and FYI his son made a statement last night after his release was announced stating how much remorse he showed for his part in that crime over the years.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

talk about living the high life, oh and FYI his son made a statement last night after his release was announced stating how much remorse he showed for his part in that crime over the years.

Yep all the time he was in Rio you could see the remorse oozing from every pore...

I take it the son who said this is the same one that was on Sky News saying his dad should be released as he has done his time as he was sentenced over 30 years ago regardless of where he was during that time?

I think its the right decision to let him out but he is still a convicted criminal and shouldn't be looked on as some kind of robin hood character as some people see him.