atheists camp for kids

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

If that's the sort of Sunday School you went to, that explains a lot.....

You can only imagine the suffering I went through

Originally Posted by Gary L

You can only imagine the suffering I went through

I try to............

[speters17]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Riiiiiight.

So which God camps have you been to that promote those ideas?

there are many of them already well-established in america, and several are being attempted in the uk but so far have not had the support of the council and the residents.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by speters17

there are many of them already well-established in america, and several are being attempted in the uk but so far have not had the support of the council and the residents.

Can you give me any examples? In fact can you give me any evidence (other than anecdotal) that the sort of regime you describe happens at anything other than the tiniest of majority of camps?

In the 7 years I've been a Christian I have never EVER heard of any school of thought that says non-believers and those of other faiths are to be "tortured and killed".

[speters17]

firstly, i didnt say that it happened at the majority of jesus camps, just that it happened at some. obviously if it happened at the majority of camps, the world would be even more ****ed than it is already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNLM...ture=quicklist
this is one of the camps in america, encouraging kids to kill themselves in the name of god if necessary. i cant find the video with the 'oh god may we kill the evildoers, may their bodies be burnt in the eternal fires of your wrath' etc
2 more with different extracts from the documentary;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97NFNXk8aFc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac

and heres a review by someone who watched the entire thing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=389x5759573

its just a little bit scary.

[Russ]

So do you accept that what you say here...

it upsets me to see these kids who have been dragged to god camp, being indoctrinated into thinking that all atheists and people of other religions are the devil and ought to be tortured and killed.

...only occurs in the minority (if any, as you still haven't shown me any evidence of it) of camps, and that the vast majority are nothing like that and spread a peaceful message?

Originally Posted by speters17

i cant find the video with the 'oh god may we kill the evildoers, may their bodies be burnt in the eternal fires of your wrath' etc

I wonder why.

btw, your review from democraticunderground contained the reviewer's opinion that

They are raising their own children to be doctor killers and clinic bombers and Christian terrorists, all while praising the prince of peace."

not any evidence that the people in the camps were telling the kids to kill doctors and bomb clinics and be Christian terrorists. So basically, it would appear that you are using some one else's opinion to back up your opinion, rather it being fact-based.

Is this another one of your theories, along the lines you posted in another thread

(jst to sort out, it can be a bad theory with no evidence, just so long as it is a theory)

[speters17]

Originally Posted by Russ B

So do you accept that what you say here...



...only occurs in the minority (if any, as you still haven't shown me any evidence of it) of camps, and that the vast majority are nothing like that and spread a peaceful message?

yeah of course i accept that it only occurs in the minority of cases. thats what i wrote in the first place.

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

btw, your review from democraticunderground contained the reviewer's opinion that
not any evidence that the people in the camps were telling the kids to kill doctors and bomb clinics and be Christian terrorists. So basically, it would appear that you are using some one else's opinion to back up your opinion, rather it being fact-based.

Is this another one of your theories, along the lines you posted in another thread

wow, a quotation out of context. how about coming up with an argument rather than attempting to discredit me.

and as i said in the post that contained the first quotation, it is the opinion of somebody who has watched the entire video. as i havnt watched it all, only what is available to me, then i cant comment on the entire video, only what i have seen.

[Russ]

So would you go as far as agreeing that in the lack of any real evidence there are in fact NO 'God camps' that promote the idea of torturing and killing non-believers and followers of other faiths?

Originally Posted by speters17

yeah of course i accept that it only occurs in the minority of cases. thats what i wrote in the first place.

Ahem, you said in post #131 yesterday evening

it upsets me to see these kids who have been dragged to god camp, being indoctrinated into thinking that all atheists and people of other religions are the devil and ought to be tortured and killed

The word "minority" or even "some" appears to have disappeared from what you wrote in the first place. It does, however, appear as a qualifier in post #140

Originally Posted by speters17

wow, a quotation out of context. how about coming up with an argument rather than attempting to discredit me.

and as i said in the post that contained the first quotation, it is the opinion of somebody who has watched the entire video. as i havnt watched it all, only what is available to me, then i cant comment on the entire video, only what i have seen.

You said in post #140 this afternoon

this is one of the camps in america, encouraging kids to kill themselves in the name of god if necessary

which doesn't sound like you are quoting someone's opinion (imho), and as quoted at the beginning of this post, you had previously mentioned indoctrination about other faiths being tortured and killed.

I am not trying to discredit you (you appear to be doing a good job all by yourself ), just pointing out a few discrepancies (imho) in your proposition

I thought the subject was ATHEIST camps not religious ones.

[Zee]

Its a good idea, sort of, but kinds as young as 8 don't know about this they don't even know what this is, wait till they get a bit older then they can learn about different religion and see if they don't want to believe or not.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I thought the subject was ATHEIST camps not religious ones.

Well if you're not sure, you can ask Russ. he'll know

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I thought the subject was ATHEIST camps not religious ones.

Originally Posted by Gary L

Well if you're not sure, you can ask Russ. he'll know

I would have thought that you would know, Gary, as you posted on the thread four times before Russ joined in.....

[downquark1]

Oh look, another article with Richard Dawkins' face plastered over it