28-06-2009, 08:18
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atheists camp for kids
Dawkins sets up kids’ camp to groom atheists
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle6591236.ece
well its different but is it a good idea? ie is a bit of God bashing ok at camp..
is it ok for kids to think for themselves.
or is it a bad idea.
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28-06-2009, 08:30
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Re: atheists camp for kids
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...is it ok for kids to think for themselves.
or is it a bad idea.
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...There will be sessions in moral philosophy and evolutionary biology along with more conventional pursuits such as trekking and tug-of-war....
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Sounds like a lot of fun!
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28-06-2009, 08:43
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Re: atheists camp for kids
Sounds good to me.
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28-06-2009, 09:04
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Re: atheists camp for kids
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Well if its OK to brain wash kids at God camps then why not brain wash kids at Atheist camps.
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28-06-2009, 09:48
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Re: atheists camp for kids
Sounds like a lot of fun for the kids. if my kid wanted to go I'd be quite happy to let them.
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Well if its OK to brain wash kids at God camps then why not brain wash kids at Atheist camps.
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Probably a lot less stressful for them too.
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28-06-2009, 09:54
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Re: atheists camp for kids
Interesting!
There are a lot of various different faith camps in places like America, so this is a different slant.
My daughter worked at camp 3 consecutive summers in California, and even though they were not religious camps, there were prayers said at the begining of the day.
She was not offened even though she did and does not believe in God.
I love the idea of children having free will to look into stuff personally and not having a religion forced upon them.
This camp may flip that around and actually try to make children believe there is not a God.
It does encourage thoughts on does God exsist or not, but as we have said on previous threads, maybe it is best to let children decide for themselves at an age when they can, and not have anything drilled in to them of either thought path.
My youngest girl has just flown out to Ibiza today, with her Good News Bible in her handbag, so she can read it on the plane trip. Her friends laugh at her! She is 19, never had my faith pushed into her at all. The Bible she is reading is from my days at a born again Christian church. I respect her for checking things out for herself, like I respect my other two for not.
She says she is not sure if God exsists, and wants to read the Bible so she can become more informed.
In the end, it has to be each to their own, but I find the thought of summer camps that encourage kids to not believe, in my personal opinion not a nice idea, as much as a fully fledged Bible bashing camp would be too!
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28-06-2009, 09:57
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Re: atheists camp for kids
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Sounds like a lot of fun!
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A right barrel of laughs.
I can't help thinking this has been a little bit mis-reported. Even Dawkins himself admits he cannot prove there is no God - I don't think he would set up a camp to try to spend a week persuading kids that there isn't one.
I suspect the emphasis will be on the positive benefits of the subjects chosen for teaching, rather than on negative lectures about there being none of this, none of that, none of the other etc.
Even so, I bet I could paint a caricature of the 24 kids that have been signed up for this by their pushy, Guardian-reading parents. And I bet none of them is the most popular kid in their class. 
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28-06-2009, 10:07
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Re: atheists camp for kids
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Interesting!In the end, it has to be each to their own, but I find the thought of summer camps that encourage kids to not believe, in my personal opinion not a nice idea, as much as a fully fledged Bible bashing camp would be too!
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It's not so much about not believing in God. it's about learning to think for yourself, instead of being told what to think or believe.
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“I’m very keen on not indoctrinating them with religion or creeds,” he said this weekend. “I would rather equip them with the tools to learn how to think, not what to think.”
While afternoons at the camp will involve familiar activities such as canoeing and swimming, the youngsters’ mornings will be spent debunking supernatural phenomena such as the formation of crop circles and telepathy. Even Uri Geller’s apparent ability to bend spoons with his mind will come under scrutiny.
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Even so, I bet I could paint a caricature of the 24 kids that have been signed up for this by their pushy, Guardian-reading parents. And I bet none of them is the most popular kid in their class.
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What picture would you paint of the other kids that go to the God ones?
I've already read about some kid saying that you will go to hell for going to this camp thing, for not believing in God 
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28-06-2009, 10:10
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Re: atheists camp for kids
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...I've already read about some kid saying that you will go to hell for going to this camp thing, for not believing in God |
In my view, this lack of tolerance is one of the worst aspects of organised religion.
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28-06-2009, 10:13
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Re: atheists camp for kids
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are you saying children who choose not to believe in God are unpopular in class?- from my memories of school it was in fact the opposite- the bible bashers where treated as weirdos 
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28-06-2009, 10:15
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Re: atheists camp for kids
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What picture would you paint of the other kids that go to the God ones?
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I was thinking the same thing Gary
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28-06-2009, 10:15
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Re: atheists camp for kids
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In my view, this lack of tolerance is one of the worst aspects of organised religion.
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That in itself should be one of the things taught. you won't go to hell. either because there isn't no hell to go to, or if there is no God. then there can't be a heaven, so there can't be a hell.
Logical 
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28-06-2009, 10:21
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Re: atheists camp for kids
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are you saying children who choose not to believe in God are unpopular in class?- from my memories of school it was in fact the opposite- the bible bashers where treated as weirdos |
No, I'm saying that children whose parents would send them to philosophy camp in the summer are probably not the most popular children in class.
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28-06-2009, 10:24
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Re: atheists camp for kids
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No, I'm saying that children whose parents would send them to philosophy camp in the summer are probably not the most popular children in class. |
ah understood
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28-06-2009, 10:35
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Re: atheists camp for kids
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I was thinking the same thing Gary
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Here's my caricature.
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