Pandemic (Swine) Flu - Page 11

Osem · 28-04-2009, 12:50

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Originally Posted by slug

Yes Osem I am sure that you have a better in-depth knowledge of all the UK's internal workings and infrastructure than the World Health Organization.

Are you now suggesting that not only are HMG incompetent but also are the WHO.

Is there anyone in you opinion out there fit for their purpose?

I really don't know how many times I have to explain to that my opinion on this subject is based on my experience of how previous disasters/events have either been handled or anticipated - NO more NO less!

Extrapolating from what I've written to make a comment like "Is there anyone in you opinion out there fit for their purpose?" is frankly juvenile.

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort about the WHO, I'm merely asking a question about how they gather the information they base their findings on and whether it's independent of or reliant on government. As yet, despite searching the WHO website, I've been unable to find the answer to that question. It's an important question because if they rely on what they're told by politicians then we should all have something to worry about - our leaders aren't exactly renowned for admitting their failures. If on the other hand they have unfetterd access to all relevant independent information, I'll be a lot happier. Our ability to handle a flu pandemic will depend on all sorts of health, economic, infrastructural and organisational issues and I wonder whether all these have been taken into account by the WHO or whether their view is limited purely to medical related statistics such as vaccine stocks/availability etc.

slug · 28-04-2009, 13:23

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Originally Posted by Osem

I really don't know how many times I have to explain to that my opinion on this subject is based on my experience of how previous disasters/events have either been handled or anticipated - NO more NO less!

Extrapolating from what I've written to make a comment like "Is there anyone in you opinion out there fit for their purpose?" is frankly juvenile.

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort about the WHO, I'm merely asking a question about how they gather the information they base their findings on and whether it's independent of or reliant on government. As yet, despite searching the WHO website, I've been unable to find the answer to that question. It's an important question because if they rely on what they're told by politicians then we should all have something to worry about - our leaders aren't exactly renowned for admitting their failures. If on the other hand they have unfetterd access to all relevant independent information, I'll be a lot happier. Our ability to handle a flu pandemic will depend on all sorts of health, economic, infrastructural and organisational issues and I wonder whether all these have been taken into account by the WHO or whether their view is limited purely to medical related statistics such as vaccine stocks/availability etc.

OK Osem. I have just been called to a meeting about how the company I work for will deal with a flu pandemic so I must go.

So to cut it short, In my experience we deal we emergencies in this country well and i trust the WHO to do their job properly.

Osem · 28-04-2009, 13:39

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Originally Posted by slug

OK Osem. I have just been called to a meeting about how the company I work for will deal with a flu pandemic so I must go.

So to cut it short, In my experience we deal we emergencies in this country well and i trust the WHO to do their job properly.

Good for you but it's not the WHO who will tackle any crisis. In my experience we could deal with emergencies better and I hope we do if this becomes one or meetings might be the least of our worries.

idi banashapan · 28-04-2009, 17:54

anyone remember me saying this??.... linky

not such a rediculous and mockable statement now, is it?

**Damien** · 28-04-2009, 18:40

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Originally Posted by Bender

anyone remember me saying this??.... linky

not such a rediculous and mockable statement now, is it?

Because you have again misunderstood the point of evolution and natural selection. Unless your talking about the virus itself adapting..

danielf · 28-04-2009, 18:51

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Originally Posted by Bender

anyone remember me saying this??.... linky

not such a rediculous and mockable statement now, is it?

Within the context of that thread, it still is a ridiculous and mockable statement.

idi banashapan · 28-04-2009, 19:09

natural balance (the 2 links on that post) was my point. but once again you have skipped that bit. I even gave you a definition of natural selection in that very link and you still seem to think it was wrong... lol. bless you.

danielf · 28-04-2009, 19:14

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Originally Posted by Bender

natural balance (the 2 links on that post) was my point. but once again you have skipped that bit. I even gave you a definition of natural selection in that very link and you still seem to think it was wrong... lol. bless you.

The issue was whether we should help the developing world or let them die of poverty. But that's for the other thread

idi banashapan · 28-04-2009, 19:34

yes, but people were mocking the fact I said Nature was ruthlessly economic when it comes to maintaining a balance and would create other ways of reducing the population if we continue keeping more and more people alive. The planet is now overpopulated and nature is now finding other ways to try and balance it out. could swine flu be that very virus, or will the human race beat it effectively enough to force nature to produce something even more powerful?

danielf · 28-04-2009, 19:41

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Originally Posted by Bender

yes, but people were mocking the fact I said Nature was ruthlessly economic when it comes to maintaining a balance and would create other ways of reducing the population if we continue keeping more and more people alive. The planet is now overpopulated and nature is now finding other ways to try and balance it out. could swine flu be that very virus, or will the human race beat it effectively enough to force nature to produce something even more powerful?

The first thing I don't disagree with, and the second is debatable. My point was that increasing health and wealth in the developing world will help to decrease the world population, as people will have less children. But again, that's for the other thread...

chaos23 · 28-04-2009, 20:10

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Originally Posted by Bender

yes, but people were mocking the fact I said Nature was ruthlessly economic when it comes to maintaining a balance and would create other ways of reducing the population if we continue keeping more and more people alive. The planet is now overpopulated and nature is now finding other ways to try and balance it out. could swine flu be that very virus, or will the human race beat it effectively enough to force nature to produce something even more powerful?

Sorry bender its not nature its man made.

idi banashapan · 28-04-2009, 20:40

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Originally Posted by chaos23

Sorry bender its not nature its man made.

quite possibly a lab born virus. or maybe a harvested virus that has just been released by man? we just don't know for sure yet.

icestar2 · 28-04-2009, 20:45

Some people must live their live's is constant fear by some of the post's I've seen from certain members. The world is out to get them it would seem. I enjoy reading a good conspiracy every now and again but some people seem to believe any old crap that anyone makes up on the net and that must be scary I would imagine.

Has been intresting watching this one develope. Will wait till we start having death's in the UK before I start to become to worried though. Otherwise how do you live your life ? I dont know thats for sure.

28-04-2009, 20:47

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Originally Posted by chaos23

Sorry bender its not nature its man made.

Then whomever it was who made it didn't do a very good job - no-one outside of Mexico has died, so far, & even the deaths in Mexico aren't all indisputably directly due to the virus.....

icestar2 · 28-04-2009, 20:50

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Originally Posted by homealone

Then whomever it was who made it didn't do a very good job - no-one outside of Mexico has died, so far, & even the deaths in Mexico aren't all indisputably directly due to the virus.....

Maybe its only the first wave of mutiple viruses to come. you know how they like to give us a warning before the big disaster