The existence of God

Originally Posted by Gary L

You're not sorry that she feels that unless she has God in her life she will go to hell?

Which part of "why should we be sorry for the way other people bring their kids up" don't you understand? Both Russ and I have stated we disagree with her parent's approach, but why should we be sorry on her/their behalf? Are you sorry on Pol Pot's / Stalin's / Mao Zedong's behalf, for all the things they did?

Originally Posted by Gary L

In the film she tells people that even a little white lie means that you're going to hell. if you get killed by a car and you never asked for forgiveness before you step out in front of the car, you're going to hell.

She said a few times that it's a scary thought of going to hell for eternity. that is why she is so screwed up in the head for, because someone has taught her that she is a bad person and she is going to hell.

In your opinion - in her opinion, she is " a happy, hard working, sweet girl", but you, of course, know better, having seen her on TV for an hour.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by DRZ400

It's child abuse.

She has had religion drilled into her by her sick father from such an early that she has become emotionally unstable / terrified of a mythical being.

And for anyone to argue that they're 'teaching' their children about religion .. They didn't ask for it and you ARE brainwashing them.

I assume you will not teach your kids that its wrong to steal, bully, disrespect their parents, disrespect adults, swear at their mothers etc etc etc......

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I assume you will not teach your kids that its wrong to steal, bully, disrespect their parents, disrespect adults, swear at their mothers etc etc etc......

Now, come on, don't let logic get in the way of a good rant.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I assume you will not teach your kids that its wrong to steal, bully, disrespect their parents, disrespect adults, swear at their mothers etc etc etc......

You are only saying that because you are a "sick father" brainwashing your child, tantamount to child abuse and screwing up her head, according to earlier posters

btw, that obviously includes me too, as my children have been brought up in the C of E, and attended faith schools.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Which part of "why should we be sorry for the way other people bring their kids up" don't you understand? Both Russ and I have stated we disagree with her parent's approach, but why should we be sorry on her/their behalf? Are you sorry on Pol Pot's / Stalin's / Mao Zedong's behalf, for all the things they did?

Why do you have to be so argumentative in what you say? can't you just be civil for once in your life?
Why is your argument, why should me and Russ this and why should me and Russ that. it's called compassion. if you can't feel any compassion for someone because you'd sooner be stubborn, then that's you as a person.
but try not to make a spectacal of yourself for being that person.

In your opinion - in her opinion, she is " a happy, hard working, sweet girl", but you, of course, know better, having seen her on TV for an hour.

What a pointless thing to say. of course she'll say she's happy
God help children if you became a social worker.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I assume you will not teach your kids that its wrong to steal, bully, disrespect their parents, disrespect adults, swear at their mothers etc etc etc......

Do I have to use religion to teach my boy any of these?

Originally Posted by Thomas T

Do I have to use religion to teach my boy any of these?

You're missing the point. It's not about whether religion is necessary in order to teach someone not to steal, its about a parent's right to choose how to bring their child up and what to teach them.

DRZ says that bringing a child up to believe in God from birth is 'brainwashing' purely and simply because he doesn't believe in God. Yet (we speculate) there are other things children are taught from birth that he's not railing against, like not stealing, running across roads, speaking French, eating with their mouths closed or being strict vegans. I wonder why not.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

You are only saying that because you are a "sick father" brainwashing your child, tantamount to child abuse and screwing up her head, according to earlier posters

Oh no, they're ganging up lads

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Thomas T

Do I have to use religion to teach my boy any of these?

Did I say you have to?

Maybe you missed the point I was trying to make. It might become clearer if you read the posts before hand, especially the one I was replying to.

I can't be bothered to type of my reasonings for the upteenth time.

Originally Posted by Gary L

Oh no, they're ganging up lads

Well come on, it makes a pleasant change from us having to read DRZ's angry invective followed by you parroting it.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Did I say you have to?

No - And I didn't say you did. But thanks for looking at that.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Maybe you missed the point I was trying to make.

Somehow I doubt it, but as you are unprepared (see below) to re-make it, I guess I'll never know.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

It might become clearer if you read the posts before hand, especially the one I was replying to.

Yup - I have listened to ALL the posts in this thread. But thanks for assuming I haven't.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I can't be bothered to type of my reasonings for the upteenth time.

As you wish. But thanks for not bothering.

Originally Posted by Gary L

Why do you have to be so argumentative in what you say? can't you just be civil for once in your life?
Why is your argument, why should me and Russ this and why should me and Russ that. it's called compassion. if you can't feel any compassion for someone because you'd sooner be stubborn, then that's you as a person.
but try not to make a spectacal of yourself for being that person.



What a pointless thing to say. of course she'll say she's happy
God help children if you became a social worker.

It's amusing you, of all people, calling someone stubborn (name-calling when you can't argue your point in a rational manner - excellent).

We answered your question - just because you didn't like the answer, or didn't get the answer you wanted, is your problem, not ours. However, I will try one more time - I would not bring my children up in that way (home schooling or keeping them away from "real life"), and I disagree with the slightly extreme (imho) viewpoints she has - but I cannot be sorry on someone else's behalf; if you feel that is lacking compassion, so be it; you are really way low down on my list of people whose feelings I care about. Sorry, that's incorrect - you are not even on that list.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Chris

Well come on, it makes a pleasant change from us having to read DRZ's angry invective followed by you parroting it.

I don't parrot.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Chris

You're missing the point. It's not about whether religion is necessary in order to teach someone not to steal, its about a parent's right to choose how to bring their child up and what to teach them.

DRZ says that bringing a child up to believe in God from birth is 'brainwashing' purely and simply because he doesn't believe in God. Yet (we speculate) there are other things children are taught from birth that he's not railing against, like not stealing, running across roads, speaking French, eating with their mouths closed or being strict vegans. I wonder why not.

As I've just said - I am NOT missing the point at all. You are assuming I am.

Originally Posted by Thomas T

As I've just said - I am NOT missing the point at all. You are assuming I am.

Your question, aimed via the quote button at SLM, is inviting him to defend the proposition that it's necessary to use religion in order to bring up a child not to steal. Seeing as he hasn't made that proposition in this thread, what point were you trying to make?