17-04-2009, 09:04
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Re: The existence of God
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17-04-2009, 09:19
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Re: The existence of God
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I've got no idea and that doesn't make any difference really. What stands out more is he's an excellent example of someone living their life with God through massive adversity.
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But to me it doesn't say that God has made him a different person. that would make a big difference if it was like that but it isn't.
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Every section of society has extremist, her family especially. Of course, you don't think they represent anything more than the minority, right?
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I don't think they are representative of all. I think you already know I don't think that. I'm not even thinking about religion as a whole when I think of Deborah. I just think of Deborah as a girl who has been brought up fearing life by thinking that she has to become someone else through fear of going to hell. that fear has been force fed her by her parents.
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It will be interesting to see the next part of the documentary where she's grown up a bit and the parents fix her up with a nice Christian lad to make babies.
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17-04-2009, 09:26
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Re: The existence of God
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But to me it doesn't say that God has made him a different person. that would make a big difference if it was like that but it isn't.
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The point of me showing that wasn't to say God made him a different person (although it wouldn't be a massive leap of the imagination to suggest he may well feel he has more of a purpose in life - to give hope to others - now that he has God) but to show how positive, peaceful and loving someone can be as Christian.
This was needed as a counter to the 'Deborah' clip.
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17-04-2009, 09:32
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Re: The existence of God
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The point of me showing that wasn't to say God made him a different person (although it wouldn't be a massive leap of the imagination to suggest he may well feel he has more of a purpose in life - to give hope to others - now that he has God) but to show how positive, peaceful and loving someone can be as Christian.
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Not necessarily. he hardly says anything really about God all through the clip. it's mostly just music and song about God. I wouldn't say it was inspirational. unless we focus too much on him having no limbs.
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This was needed as a counter to the 'Deborah' clip.
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Why?
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17-04-2009, 09:36
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Re: The existence of God
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Not necessarily. he hardly says anything really about God all through the clip. it's mostly just music and song about God. I wouldn't say it was inspirational. unless we focus too much on him having no limbs.
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I'm assuming you've only listened to the first minute or so before giving up? Watch it again but all the way through and he talks about how God has given him purpose and understanding.
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Because, and not for the first time, you're centering on the negative.
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17-04-2009, 09:43
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Re: The existence of God
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I'm assuming you've only listened to the first minute or so before giving up? Watch it again but all the way through and he talks about how God has given him purpose and understanding.
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I have watched it all. don't assume that I'm doing something wrong just because I don't see what I'm supposed to see.
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Because, and not for the first time, you're centering on the negative.
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Here we go. I'm being told I'm a bad person again 
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17-04-2009, 09:45
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Re: The existence of God
No has said you're bad but you're not giving a balanced view.
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17-04-2009, 09:48
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Re: The existence of God
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No has said you're bad but you're not giving a balanced view.
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I have given my view about 3 or 4 times. it's my honest view.
Your view on Deborah is
Every section of society has extremist, her family especially. Of course, you don't think they represent anything more than the minority, right?
That isn't balanced. that is just one sided.
I asked what your view on one girls life is.
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17-04-2009, 10:04
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Re: The existence of God
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That isn't balanced. that is just one sided.
I asked what your view on one girls life is.
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If you're asking me my view on one heavily-one-sided situation then it's hard to be balanced.
One thing I try not to do is criticise someone's parenting skills - I've had people do that to me even though they know nothing of me. Another thing I avoid is how another Christian exercises their faith in their own lives.
On that particular film all I will say is it's certainly not the way I'll be bringing up my own daughter.
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17-04-2009, 10:12
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Re: The existence of God
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If you're asking me my view on one heavily-one-sided situation then it's hard to be balanced.
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It doesn't have to be a heavily-one-sided view. it's about one girls life.
do you feel sorry for her in the way that she has been taught this from birth?
there is no way that she could have refused being taught this all through her life.
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One thing I try not to do is criticise someone's parenting skills - I've had people do that to me even though they know nothing of me. Another thing I avoid is how another Christian exercises their faith in their own lives.
On that particular film all I will say is it's certainly not the way I'll be bringing up my own daughter.
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But you can criticise by having an opinion. such as if it's wrong or right.
I think if it was anything other than religion that this girl (and her brothers and sisters) are being forced to learn, then more people will have a strong view or opinion of what is happening to them.
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17-04-2009, 10:16
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Re: The existence of God
And I've given my opinion - it's not the way I bring up my daughter. Christianity is a personal thing and its followers apply it appropriately to their lives. What works for me might not work for someone else, this is why I don't like to criticise another follower. But by the time my daughter gets to Deborah's age I'm pretty sure she'll have a different outlook to what is shown on that clip.
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17-04-2009, 10:20
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Re: The existence of God
I accept your opinion. I just want to know if you feel sorry for her?
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17-04-2009, 10:29
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Re: The existence of God
Do you feel sorry for the drunken fresher girl who came up to them and asked if they wanted to sign her breasts?
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17-04-2009, 10:29
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Re: The existence of God
Am I sorry she has God in her life? No. Am I sorry her life is being restricted to the point of her never knowing what a normal teenager's upbringing is like? Yes.
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17-04-2009, 10:33
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Re: The existence of God
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Do you feel sorry for the drunken fresher girl who came up to them and asked if they wanted to sign her breasts?
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No. should I? 
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