The existence of God - Page 66

Gary L · 10-04-2009, 18:42

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton

You can't link them to the Bible, considering the size and impact on the planet, they would get more mention than the odd vague description. Imagine how low on the food chain we would be if we existed at the same time.

Also, if people and dinos existed at the same time, then you would find human fossils that would carbon date millions of years ago, that's based on carbon dating being wrong, which it has to be to support the theory.

Nah, if you believe in God, best leave Dinos alone and hope that when you die they fit in someplace.

Some good points there.

When the Bible was written there was an earth. we all know that.
but what was going on in the rest of the world apart from the Jesus area where the Bible is all focussed on?

Was there people anywhere else in the world such as the otherside when all this was happening, or did everyone originate from the Jesus area and gradually spread out across the world?

Russ · 10-04-2009, 18:46

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton

Anyway, I don't believe in God, Dinos are my spanner in the works, and here I am coming up with theories, think your own up.....

Not at all, it's refreshing to have a different non-agressive atheist view in this.

I see what you're saying but I think you might be misunderstanding the reason d'etre for the Bible. It's not meant to be a brief history of time, more a guidance for living. It's not meant to be a narrative of the world. Each book in the Bible (something for the militant athiests - the bible is actually made up of 66 books) tells a story. It gives a message (or messages). So you can understand why a lot of what we know today is not included. My view is God gave us the Bible to tell us not 'everything' but instead 'what we needed to know'. Gravity for example isn't mentioned in it but why would it?

kingbuxton · 10-04-2009, 18:55

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What was going on in the rest of the world apart from the Jesus area

Life, basically. The Roman Empire spreading across Europe. Britain being Romanized. Barbarian wars. South America, Aztecs and Mayans I suppose. North America was the Native Americans. Everyone was doing their thing. Untill Christianity started to spread I would assume Jesus came n went without ever being heard of.

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I think you might be misunderstanding the reason d'etre for the Bible

Yes.

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It's not meant to be a brief history of time

I think that is a big problem for a lot of people, you assume it is a historical record for a period of time, you kinda forget it isn't.

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My view is God gave us the Bible to tell us not 'everything' but instead 'what we needed to know'. Gravity for example isn't mentioned in it but why would it?

Bingo. That's what I am getting at. Just cos Dinos aren't described as they would have been, doesn't mean they don't fit in at some point in the process. But that it is possible it isn't required that you know about them. People that believe shouldn't try to explain fossils and link the Bible to it, you can't. Just let it ride and see what happens.

DRZ400 · 10-04-2009, 18:55

The believers will only answer the simplest of questions with an ambiguous answer ignoring the difficult ones.

What about answering kingbuxton very good point.

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Also, if people and dinos existed at the same time, then you would find human fossils that would carbon date millions of years ago, that's based on carbon dating being wrong, which it has to be to support the theory.

Russ · 10-04-2009, 18:59

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton

I think that is a big problem for a lot of people, you assume it is a historical record for a period of time, you kinda forget it isn't.

Yes, very much so. It's not meant to be a history of time.

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The believers will only answer the simplest of questions with an ambiguous answer ignoring the difficult ones

Whereas the militant atheists will simply ignore any direct questions put to them about their intentions especially when they are proven to be wrong (and even admit it) and offer a bizarre version of 'logic'.

I'm still waiting for answers to what I've put to you.

Gary L · 10-04-2009, 19:01

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton

Life, basically. The Roman Empire spreading across Europe. Britain being Romanized. Barbarian wars. South America, Aztecs and Mayans I suppose. North America was the Native Americans. Everyone was doing their thing. Untill Christianity started to spread I would assume Jesus came n went without ever being heard of.

It's mind boggling really. thinking how life began in one street so to speak. and spread outwards without anyone really knowing who's who.

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Whereas the militant atheists will simply ignore any direct questions put to them about their intentions especially when they are proven to be wrong (and even admit it) and offer a bizarre version of 'logic'.

I'm still waiting for answers to what I've put to you.

Russ, not all of us are calling each other names and labels. it would help if you didn't either

Russ · 10-04-2009, 19:03

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Russ, not all of us are calling each other names and labels. it would help if you didn't either

Well if I'm not referring to you then it shouldn't bother you hey.

Gary L · 10-04-2009, 19:04

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Well if I'm not referring to you then it shouldn't bother you hey.

Ok, so I'll use a label but I'm not referring to you either.

kingbuxton · 10-04-2009, 19:28

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What about answering kingbuxton very good point.

This is what I am getting at, they don't have to, that's what faith is for. "Why is this that?" "It just is" "Why?" "Cos I have faith"

It's for science to explain stuff, and I have faith that they will. Once they invent the Time Machine we will be sorted.

**Hugh** · 10-04-2009, 19:30

kingbuxton · 10-04-2009, 19:35

This isn't the Religion you are looking for. Move along.

papa smurf · 10-04-2009, 19:41

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

yousa kaffics maka me laughs

10-04-2009, 19:44

**Hugh** · 10-04-2009, 20:51

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

yousa kaffics maka me laughs

Ignitionnet · 10-04-2009, 21:49

Religion - letting human beings deny their mortality since 4000 BC.

FWIW I'm happy to accept existing of a higher power, just not the Christian God nor indeed any man-made religion.

A God - yes, *the* God, well depending who you speak to who exactly is the God?

Find me a religion that doesn't claim we're in some way immortal and I'll be happy to look at it. That appears to be the one common factor between them, trying to offer us alternatives to our biological mortality.