The existence of God

[kingbuxton]

Some suggest the Big Bang was the moment God said "Let there be light" - that's the theory I prefer

Now that's where it gets complicated. Earth and all it contains, the Universe and all that is fine, but it is that start that has me confused. You can't have a void, with some chemicals floating about, they hit and BANG, it all starts. Where did the void and the chemicals come from?

So it's God, but where did he/she/it come from? It just keeps going back, each thing has to come from something to infinity, which can't happen, it's impossible. What the hell is going on at all?

And it is this thinking that makes me give a rats backside about anything at the moment. It's all insignificant until we fathom it. Nothing is important and nobody counts for anything.

Now if only people with BT Earphones and 4*4 realised that!

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so if your waiting for the final gloat, and your right, sadly you'll be robbed of your prize

Quality!

[danielf]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

The thing is it doesn't really matter if Russ is wrong, in so much as he'll be dead and with no afterlife neither he or you will exist to question it anymore, so if your waiting for the final gloat, and your right, sadly you'll be robbed of your prize.

It could be worse though. Imagine there is an afterlife, and Russ (or anyone else) picked the wrong horse, and Alah/Jaweh/Thor/Satan went: OI, you can't come in, as you followed the wrong book, and it clearly states in my book that you must/must not do a, b and c.

Originally Posted by DRZ400

If I am wrong I'll apologise and say sorry as God is all forgiving, but if Russ is wrong, he'll look very silly indeed.

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To answer the unfounded preaching by yourself and 3 others.

In my opinion you are as guilty of 'unfounded preaching' as anyone in this thread, in one sense more so, as at least Russ gives the respect of appreciating other opinions may exist.

You, however, seem to pursue your agenda unrelentingly, without apparently considering any other input beyond dismissing it.

This isn't indicative of 'science & logic', in my opinion, it is more aligned with prejudice & bigotry.

You are entitled to your opinion - but please don't extrapolate that to include anyone but yourself, thanks

[Russ]

Originally Posted by homealone

In my opinion you are as guilty of 'unfounded preaching' as anyone in this thread, in one sense more so, as at least Russ gives the respect of appreciating other opinions may exist.

Of course, ignoring the fact that in 7 years I have never preached on here

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by homealone

In my opinion you are as guilty of 'unfounded preaching' as anyone in this thread, in one sense more so, as at least Russ gives the respect of appreciating other opinions may exist.

You, however, seem to pursue your agenda unrelentingly, without apparently considering any other input beyond dismissing it.

This isn't indicative of 'science & logic', in my opinion, it is more aligned with prejudice & bigotry.

You are entitled to your opinion - but please don't extrapolate that to include anyone but yourself, thanks

The irony is that the militant atheist and the religious extremist are probably more alike than either would ever admit.

Originally Posted by Russ B

Of course, ignoring the fact that in 7 years I have never preached on here

In my opinion you have only ever stated your own beliefs, without implying anyone else should follow them, I cannot see that would constitute 'preaching'.

I respect that, whatever my own beliefs or opinions, and I find it hard to understand how others can't ...

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Originally Posted by frogstamper

The irony is that the militant atheist and the religious extremist are probably more alike than either would ever admit.

possibly true - but I'm not sure I would include Russ as a 'religious extremist'

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by homealone

possibly true - but I'm not sure I would include Russ as a 'religious extremist'

From my dealings with Russ on the forum I'd put him in the "live and let live end of the Christian church" or put another way simply a decent bloke who happens to be a Christian.

[DRZ400]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

The irony is that the militant atheist and the religious extremist are probably more alike than either would ever admit.

I think we all can agree with that.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by lucy7

Religion is meant to be bread for daily life, not cake for special occassions.

Just found that quote, I liked it.

Goodnight and God bless folks

lol good one especially for this night

i didn't spill a drop but nearly dropped the bread

( in house joke )

i do wonder why those who don't believe seem to have such a great need to get every one to follow them

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by danielf

It could be worse though. Imagine there is an afterlife, and Russ (or anyone else) picked the wrong horse, and Alah/Jaweh/Thor/Satan went: OI, you can't come in, as you followed the wrong book, and it clearly states in my book that you must/must not do a, b and c.

Save yourself with Bahá'Ã*Faith

[lucy7]

Originally Posted by danielf

Do I smell a double handle?

Whats a double handle please??

Originally Posted by DRZ400

...snippety snip snip....


To answer the unfounded preaching by yourself and 3 others.

Curiously enough, the Oxford Dictionary definition of preaching is -

• verb
1 deliver a religious address to an assembled group of people.
2 earnestly advocate (a principle).
3 (preach at) give moral advice to (someone) in a self-righteous way.

None of the people with whom you have a "difference of opinion" has done the first, and you and others of a different opinion have been doing the second, and you (imho) are probably the most guilty of the third.

Ironic, huh?

[DRZ400]

Typical for a Godbot.... read some text and try to apply it to something that isn't in the slightest part related.

All I'm doing is stating facts, science, logic, and using them to pick holes in the implausibility of the Bible. All I get in return is people arguing with me that the most utterly ridiculous, impossible, and just plain stupid bible 'myths' are a FACT.

Someone even argued that no wars had EVER been started in the name of religion, let alone argued that talking snakes exist.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by DRZ400

All I'm doing is stating facts, science, logic, and using them to pick holes in the implausibility of the Bible.

But why?

Originally Posted by DRZ400

Typical for a Godbot.... read some text and try to apply it to something that isn't in the slightest part related.

All I'm doing is stating facts, science, logic, and using them to pick holes in the implausibility of the Bible. All I get in return is people arguing with me that the most utterly ridiculous, impossible, and just plain stupid bible 'myths' are a FACT.

Someone even argued that no wars had EVER been started in the name of religion, let alone argued that talking snakes exist.

There you go again, twisting facts.

No one ever said that "no wars had EVER been started in the name of religion", it was stated that
a) perhaps those wars allegedly started in the name of religion were in fact territorial or economic, but used religion as a cover-up
b) highlighted that the wars that killed over 80 million people last century were not "religious wars"

For someone who keeps going on about facts and logic, you seem to focus on name-calling and distortion - ironic, huh?

Has anyone on this thread ever attacked you for having different beliefs in this matter? The aggression and nastiness has (imho) all be one sided - you really aren't a good advert for atheism, imho.