The existence of God - Page 46

Russ · 06-04-2009, 22:32

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Originally Posted by DRZ400

You're saying you believe over and over again, but not saying WHY, 'faith' or 'because we do' is a tad lame.

It's becoming more and more evident that you're either simply not reading my posts or only looking for the bits you want to see.

I've already said why I believe.

Gary L · 06-04-2009, 22:33

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Originally Posted by Russ B

As I said yesterday, and completely foxed Gary L, no-one is saying God existing is a fact.

Would you like to try again?

DRZ400 · 06-04-2009, 22:36

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Originally Posted by Russ B

As I said yesterday, and completely foxed Gary L, no-one is saying God existing is a fact.

Why argue passionately for Gods existence then. THIS is what I don't understand.

There obviously is some doubt.

06-04-2009, 22:39

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Originally Posted by DRZ400

Why argue passionately for Gods existence then. THIS is what I don't understand.

There obviously is some doubt.

Why would your doubt change any else's belief ??

The theory of entanglement suggests that without man there would be no God - the converse may also be true

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement

06-04-2009, 22:40

Gary, DRZ, all the cleaver & cool kids are posting on 4chan/b/ quick hurry

Russ · 06-04-2009, 22:42

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Originally Posted by DRZ400

Why argue passionately for Gods existence then. THIS is what I don't understand.

There obviously is some doubt.

No, there's obviously some parallel universe with a Cable Forum where someone called Russ B is arguing for his existence, because it certainly isn't this one.

You've been doing the arguing, I've been telling you why I believe he exists. I have never said God is fact. You've wanted me to say it, so you can come back with "so where's the proof" etc.

What I've done is explain (several times) that I believe he is real. I've briefly explained how he works in my life. I have no doubt God is real in my world so I don't need to prove anything to anyone. If you want God in your life then that's between you and him. Go speak to one of those door-knockers that annoy you so much. No-one will ever tell you God is 100% fact.

DRZ400 · 06-04-2009, 22:43

Russ .. I'm wondering what your views are on Scientology.

http://www.scientology.org/

frogstamper · 06-04-2009, 22:45

Come on folks I think Russ has been more than fair in his responses, especially when some of the comments he's received has been pretty near the mark.

Russ · 06-04-2009, 22:46

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Originally Posted by DRZ400

Russ .. I'm wondering what your views are on Scientology.

http://www.scientology.org/

A dangerous cult but if that's what they believe then good on them.

Gary L · 06-04-2009, 22:47

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Originally Posted by xocemp

Gary, DRZ, all the cleaver & cool kids are posting on 4chan/b/ quick hurry

Are you picking on people again?

what is 4chan/b/ ?

idi banashapan · 06-04-2009, 22:50

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Originally Posted by frogstamper

Isn't the above the exact reason that mankind found the need for religion?

maybe so, maybe so...

but when did the want to believe in something need a set of rules to live ones life by in order to follow it? could it not be true that religion originally came about as a way to control the masses? A way of keeping order through fear of something that could not be proven, and therefore people would rather not chance going against it, just in case?

I believe there is something out there that we simply do not have the capacity to comprehend, but I'm not going to live my life by a set of rules and regulations just to exercise that right. but that is my choice. and those who follow a religion usually make that choice for themselves to. so whatever works really. one mans meat and all that...

DRZ400 · 06-04-2009, 22:53

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Originally Posted by Russ B

A dangerous cult but if that's what they believe then good on them.

And the difference being?

In a thousand years, maybe Scientology will be the dominant religion.

moaningmags · 06-04-2009, 22:54

I'm not too sure I believe in God.
I only go to church or chapel for weddings or funerals being conducted there.
I've never made religion an issue for my children, I'll let them make up their own minds and follow whichever one they choose or none at all.

Having said that, when something goes wrong in my life, I look to the sky and ask for help from this being I'm not too sure I believe in.
Does this make me confused, sceptical believer or just desperate?

I've heard opinions from Catholics, Protestants, Christians, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons etc on their faith and applaud their total belief in something that has never been proved to have existed or exist now.

What I despise is the believers who try to force their beliefs onto others and tell people who aren't religious that they're going to hell because they don't believe or that their marriage doesn't count because it didn't take place in a religious temple.
If this God is so great, he sees it all, and as we're all his children, surely he loves us all?
And if he doesn't see all of us as his children and love us all then he's not very great after all.

Russ · 06-04-2009, 22:56

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Originally Posted by DRZ400

And the difference being?

You can be nasty to us without fear of recriminations.

Scientology isn't a religion by the way.

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Originally Posted by moaningmags

What I despise is the believers who try to force their beliefs onto others and tell people who aren't religious that they're going to hell because they don't believe or that their marriage doesn't count because it didn't take place in a religious temple.

And I get quite annoyed with atheists to are on a mission to change people's minds about their religion and rubbish what we believe. There's been plenty of them in this thread.

Gary L · 06-04-2009, 23:01

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Originally Posted by moaningmags

What I despise is the believers who try to force their beliefs onto others and tell people who aren't religious that they're going to hell because they don't believe or that their marriage doesn't count because it didn't take place in a religious temple.
If this God is so great, he sees it all, and as we're all his children, surely he loves us all?
And if he doesn't see all of us as his children and love us all then he's not very great after all.

I agree totally with that.
We/us/you are being blamed for being against "them" but the reverse is actually intrusive. especially about the marriage and it not counting.

Why does marriage even have to be a religious thing?