The existence of God - Page 39

mischievious · 05-04-2009, 20:47

Surely it is clear, you should let children experience nothing until they get to 16 or so then they can decide about everything

Russ · 05-04-2009, 20:48

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Originally Posted by Bender

hmmm... really??? I was under the impression religion had a lot to do with a lot of deaths over the last few thousand years.

Oh for crying out loud....

papa smurf · 05-04-2009, 20:53

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Would you rather children grew up with the level of religious ignorance often displayed on this forum or with enough understanding to make up their own mind about what they want to believe in (or not)?

i would like children to given the right to be children ,and not badgered into being something there "parents" want them to be .
to quote pink Floyd [a group i cant stand btw ]
oi teacher leave them kids alone

Russ · 05-04-2009, 20:55

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

i would like children to given the right to be children ,and not badgered into being something there "parents" want them to be .
to quote pink Floyd [a group i cant stand btw ]
oi teacher leave them kids alone

I knew you'd get the wrong idea. I didn't say anything about preaching to children. Read my posts again with a little objectivity. I said they should be taught about all religions. With a bit of luck the next generation won't have so many clueless members on the subject.

mischievious · 05-04-2009, 20:56

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

i would like children to given the right to be children ,and not badgered into being something there "parents" want them to be .
to quote pink Floyd [a group i cant stand btw ]
oi teacher leave them kids alone

Please see my previous comment. Thoughts?

Gary L · 05-04-2009, 20:58

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Originally Posted by mischievious

to start I am agnostic, however the strongest position so far both theoretically and empirically is clearly with those whom are religeous in this thread:

I don't agree the thread is dead, however it is clear that at least two persons are simply regurgitating their opinions over and over. It gets a bit tiresome reading:

I don't believe
I don't believe
I don't believe
I don't believe
I don't believe
I don't believe

talking snake surely that proves God doesn't exist?

oh and prove God is real....

While I was reading this I was listening to Alex Jones and the Obama Deception in another window

papa smurf · 05-04-2009, 20:58

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Originally Posted by mischievious

Please see my previous comment. Thoughts?

post them again if there important

Gary L · 05-04-2009, 21:03

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

post them again if there important

idi banashapan · 05-04-2009, 21:05

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Oh for crying out loud....

I'm all for being told I'm incorrect, but empty posts like that don't help your cause here. Tell my why I'm wrong.

As a token from my understanding...

1) Oliver Cromwell was apparently led by his devotion to God.

2) The Islamic Revolution in Iran (1970s) where Imam Khomeini is said to believe in the 'war of conquest whose final goal is to make Koranic law supreme from one end of the earth to the other’. apparently, he wanted this war....

3) Philip II of Spain truly believed he was doing the work of God during his campaigns, did he not?

4)"For God and Country" (blame the Americans for that one)

5)The Egyptians rule over several Dynasties was led by their religious beliefs

Those are just for starters, but humour me. like i said, I was of the understanding religion was behind many deaths over a few thousand years, but enlighten me as you seem to know better (which I am not doubting). but simply posting "oh for crying out loud" doesn't help much. I'm sure even you can see that.

Russ · 05-04-2009, 21:11

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Originally Posted by Bender

Those are just for starters, but humour me. like i said, I was of the understanding religion was behind many deaths over a few thousand years, but enlighten me as you seem to know better (which I am not doubting). but simply posting "oh for crying out loud" doesn't help much. I'm sure even you can see that.

I said "for crying out loud" because it has been explained to you time and time again in each religion-bashing thread we've had that religion itself does not cause wars. It has been used as the catalyst, it has been used as the excuse, it has been used as the rallying cry but very rarely has religon been the sole reason for a war.

Wars get caused by politics, greed, power, land, money etc.

This is one of the main reason why we should be teaching our children about all religions, with a bit of luck they won't grow up with the same ignorance and lack of knowledge.

mischievious · 05-04-2009, 21:14

@Papa & Gary L
So we're slipping into childishness now?

this thread will die if you can't post something relevant or with empirical evidence.

Gary I am not being deceptive but asking for evidence to show your contrary view to religion? Or is you view baseless i.e. based upon opinion alone.

Papa like I said lazy posters....

Gary L · 05-04-2009, 21:23

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Originally Posted by mischievious

@Papa & Gary L
So we're slipping into childishness now?

Come on (truce time out) what Papa said about posting it again was funny

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Gary I am not being deceptive but asking for evidence to show your contrary view to religion? Or is you view baseless i.e. based upon opinion alone.

You've just made a long sermon about how tiresome it is to hear, and it's being repeated over and over. and now you're asking me to say it all again anyway?

**Hugh** · 05-04-2009, 21:25

Good review in the Sunday Times today (trust me, this is on topic) about Religulous, which seems to sum up some of the posters in this thread (imho) -

"In this documentary by Larry Charles (Borat), the American satirist Bill Maher takes a polemical swipe at religion.
He goes from London to Israel and just about every religious site in between to talk to religious nuts and born-again loons of every persuasion.
His argument is one with which any atheist will be familiar, but by targeting the extreme and eccentric ends of the religious spectrum, Maher has gone for easy targets.
He comes up with the odd funny gag, but you get the feeling that he is as dogmatic about his doubt as the believers are about their faith."

DRZ400 · 05-04-2009, 21:27

OK ... We've all said why we think God doesn't exist and the improbability, But why does someone think God DOES exist?

mischievious · 05-04-2009, 21:30

not at all. I am asking for something empirical to support your view. Nothing more. So far you haven't provided any evidence.

I don't mindf if you are using the thread as a playground, I am asking for honesty

I have found some of your comment very funny but not exactly enlightening