The existence of God - Page 35

DRZ400 · 05-04-2009, 13:02

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Originally Posted by Russ B

I didn't say I don't believe 100% that He exists, I said it's not a fact as it cannot be proven. See above about 'faith'.

But to believe in something that you are only certain 'might not exist', seems illogical?

**Chris** · 05-04-2009, 13:05

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Originally Posted by DRZ400

But to believe in something that you are only certain 'might not exist', seems illogical?

What do you mean by 'logical'?

Russ · 05-04-2009, 13:06

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Don't take this as mocking, but it has to be asked.
you said no-one. I don't think you mean no-one as everyone in and outside this thread. but you say you are not 100% sure that God exists. but as I said it has to be asked. the talking snakes you say unless proved otherwise were real, and you say that it's about faith, and faith is belief. I've always accepted that it was about that.

but if you start doubting God then the talking snakes and Jesus have to be doubted too as it was God that was the major role with both of them?

Don't you dare put words in my mouth.

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Originally Posted by DRZ400

But to believe in something that you are only certain 'might not exist', seems illogical?

And that goes for you too.

I have never said God might not exist. I am 110% certain that He does. In my own mind I know that God exists.

What I said was there is no scientific proof, therefore God is not a scientific fact.

I do not have scientific proof but I have 110% belief and faith that He is real. I have 0% doubt.

**Maggy** · 05-04-2009, 13:06

How about just allowing people their individual idiosyncrasy?

Sorry rethinking that I should substitute accepting for allowing...

05-04-2009, 13:07

It would seem to me Russ is saying he believes though as fact it can not be proven.
This is what faith is all about, belief not proof.

DRZ400 · 05-04-2009, 13:09

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Originally Posted by Russ B

I experience what He has done and he has spoken to me.

I was a Methodist for 14 years and never heard a murmur.

If you've experienced what he has done then there must be something that we can investigate and WE, the members of the CableForum will prove all those doubters wrong!

We're going to be famous folks!!

Russ · 05-04-2009, 13:10

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Originally Posted by xocemp

It would seem to me Russ is saying he believes though as fact it can not be proven.
This is what faith is all about, belief not proof.

Thank you, someone who understands.

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Originally Posted by DRZ400

I was a Methodist for 14 years and never heard a murmur.

That's between you and God, and no-one else.

**Maggy** · 05-04-2009, 13:11

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Thank you, someone who understands.

I've always understood and accepted that..so have many other CF members..it's just the usual suspects that can't leave it at that.

Gary L · 05-04-2009, 13:12

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Don't you dare put words in my mouth.

I'm not Russ. you are taking the word you as you personally.

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No-one is saying the existence of God is a fact.

The same as I am taking the word no-one as you meaning everyone.

DRZ400 · 05-04-2009, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Russ B

That's between you and God, and no-one else.

Oh ..... I've put it on a forum now.

lucy7 · 05-04-2009, 13:15

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Originally Posted by DRZ400

I had a Jehovahs Witness knock on my door once. I opened the door and his first line was enthusiastically 'Did you know the bible is 100% correct' ..... I'd just seen Religulous and remembered the line 'A talking snake, you're going to stand infront of me and hand on heart, tell me you believe in a talking snake'.

I've never seen anyone look so sheepish in my life, he looked at his shoes and said 'Yes', I wished him a good day and off he went.

Steve here....Lucys better half.

I was trying to work out why the Jehovah's Witness would sheepishly look down at his shoes.
Yes he does believe in a talking snake.
That may sound amusing to you, but see it from his point of view, and indeed anyone that believes in the creation account.

What you have to understand is that refering to a talking snake out of context does sound unbelievable, (unless you are a Harry Potter fan) however taking the creation account as recorded in the Bible as true, which Jehovah's Witnesses do, then you believe that Adam and Eve were every day discovering new things.
Think of many of the things you find in nature, and imagine seeing them for the first time, without the benifit of TV or photograph's, so many of them would seem amazing.

So yes a talking snake would be suprising, but after what they would have been discovering every day, would not seem as ridiculous as it may today.

Gary L · 05-04-2009, 13:16

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Originally Posted by xocemp

It would seem to me Russ is saying he believes though as fact it can not be proven.
This is what faith is all about, belief not proof.

I know that it's about faith and belief.
but I don't understand how it's all faith and belief for one thing, and the bible and what it says is truth.

dilli-theclaw · 05-04-2009, 13:18

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Thank you, someone who understands.

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Oh I /understand/ where you are coming from completely.

I just don't bother to discuss it anymore.

I have tried to on various occasions in person with different religions and religiuos places.

The responses I get to even the most general of questions range from people saying that I should be dead and it's a shame I'm not (this to my face on my doorstep at home).

and the most rude and offecnsive people I've EVER talked to actually IN a church in Biggleswade.

Still as I've said I can't take this as representitive of ALL religion's / religious people. But it IS the main reason I don't bother any more.

**Chris** · 05-04-2009, 13:19

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Originally Posted by DRZ400

I was a Methodist for 14 years and never heard a murmur.

Were you listening? Seriously, if you want to hear, I'll pray for you, but you have to promise to listen.

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If you've experienced what he has done then there must be something that we can investigate and WE, the members of the CableForum will prove all those doubters wrong!

We're going to be famous folks!!

Dude, the scientific method was designed to investigate the contents of the creation. It simply doesn't have the tools to investigate outside of that. To dismiss something just because your chosen means of investigating it isn't up to the task is just silly.

Russ · 05-04-2009, 13:21

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I'm not Russ. you are taking the word you as you personally.

Ok well let me make this as clear as I possibly can for you, and you personally.

I have never said I have any doubts as to whether God is real or not. 110% certainty, 0% doubt.