The existence of God

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by Bender

well, I think people should be able to, but personal experience tells me that I'm not allowed to (so some other people think). see here for full explanation.

Oh how I miss Chaos23's dopey "everything is a conspiracy" threads, I don't suppose it occurred to him that the Beijing building could've been built sturdier.!!
Come back chaos23, there must be more conspiracies we sheepies are falling for.

Cross posting, how very off topic...
Can you not move on and learn from your linked thread?

Yes let's not lose the topic..can anyone remind me what it was?

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

Oh how I miss Chaos23's dopey "everything is a conspiracy" threads, I don't suppose it occurred to him that the Beijing building could've been built sturdier.!!
Come back chaos23, there must be more conspiracies we sheepies are falling for.

that was a very weak conspiracy theory!! lol. still, it got a lot of people in there talking, which is what it's about I suppose!

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Originally Posted by xocemp

Cross posting, how very off topic...
Can you not move on and learn from your linked thread?

unfortunately not when the same trends appear to be happening over and over in different threads. all I learned from that linked thread is that some people are VERY closed up and are not willing to listen to other people when they give a view point, present alternative ideas or differ in opinion to the mainstream / consensus and are therefore ridiculed and / or 'told' they are wrong by others who almost gang-up in a very school-playground manner at times.

personal grudges come out and instant linching and mobbing too. it's a shame because I thihnk this thread has raised some very good points. certainly some very interesting ones. there are those who are very willing to explain their stance and their beliefs. however, there are others who immediately wade in posting yawning smilies and moaning about 'this same topic' that has apparently been covered a million times.

if people are bored by the topic here or don't like it, then don't post - it's quite simple. a lot of threads these days seem to get spoiled by such child-like behaviour, including the one I linked - just look at the first page or 2 of that thread and this one and you'll see what I mean.. it's like an adult conversation cannot be had at times.

GaryL is raising questions he feels he does not know the answer to. Chris has been excellent throughout this thread and really taken the time to post some rather good explanations. he has certainly made me look at things in a different light and actually give some time to thinking more about the existance of God and the foundations of religion as a whole. but then there are some others who moan about the topic, but insist on hanging about simply to post whinge after whinge and tear down people who are trying to find some answers...

That's what bugs me.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Yes let's not lose the topic..

agreed

Bender the only thing I asked people not to do in this thread was to attack and abuse others for their beliefs or non beliefs which unfortunately is the the normal state of affairs these days in religious threads on any site anywhere in the world.

Thus far it's not been too bad in that respect though it's come close at times.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Yes let's not lose the topic..can anyone remind me what it was?

Sort of nougat with hazelnuts covered in chocolate. One of my favourites, still widely available.

Do I get a nomination for the most relevant post in thread going in circles?

[mischievious]

Bender, I think you "may" have found the wrong champion.

Gary L as far as I can tell is so far all smoke and mirrors. The core God thing being "make believe", I get that.... The other points only exist for a limited period (as yet undetermined). When questioned simply pretends not to understand and answers with questions?

Since I may be getting the landscape wrong, Gary please don't be shy and lay it on the line.... are you able to list your beliefs thus far?

I am not trying to attack you, I just can't see any bel.... or is that the point your lack of "firm" belief, simply means that all belief is in a state of constant flux???

[DRZ400]

Hi, the bible's been rewritten so many times throughout the ages that the likelihood of any of it being real is ZERO.

If it is .. the Catholic Church needs to have a serious look at themselves as they are rife with paedophiles and have been known on MANY occasions to cover it up to avoid prosecution.

Originally Posted by mischievious

Bender, I think you "may" have found the wrong champion.

Gary L as far as I can tell is so far all smoke and mirrors. The core God thing being "make believe", I get that.... The other points only exist for a limited period (as yet undetermined). When questioned simply pretends not to understand and answers with questions?

You know you might just be onto something there, I wonder if anyone else has noticed
And dare I say it, is a trend found in every topic/thread the afore mentioned gentleman posts in

[Russ]

Originally Posted by DRZ400

Hi, the bible's been rewritten so many times throughout the ages that the likelihood of any of it being real is ZERO.

Have a guess at how many times it's been "rewritten".

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Have a guess at how many times it's been "rewritten".

I'd have a guess, but I don't think actual 're-writing' is all that relevant to the Bible - what's of a great deal more relevance is how many times it's been translated from the original languages/dialects it was written in, and by who

[papa smurf]

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[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by mischievious

Bender, I think you "may" have found the wrong champion.

Gary L as far as I can tell is so far all smoke and mirrors. The core God thing being "make believe", I get that.... The other points only exist for a limited period (as yet undetermined). When questioned simply pretends not to understand and answers with questions?

Since I may be getting the landscape wrong, Gary please don't be shy and lay it on the line.... are you able to list your beliefs thus far?

I am not trying to attack you, I just can't see any bel.... or is that the point your lack of "firm" belief, simply means that all belief is in a state of constant flux???

I didn't say I was defending what he was saying, merely the fact he should be able to say what he is without the need for others to ridicule and rubbish what he says or asks.

my champion here so far is actually Chris. As stated in my post, I feel that he has, so far, posted the most consistently constructive replies.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Rob M

I'd have a guess, but I don't think actual 're-writing' is all that relevant to the Bible - what's of a great deal more relevance is how many times it's been translated from the original languages/dialects it was written in, and by who

i would say its about how accurate the copies are and how close to the original they are .

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by mischievious

Bender, I think you "may" have found the wrong champion.

It's not about champions and it's not about sides.

Gary L as far as I can tell is so far all smoke and mirrors. The core God thing being "make believe", I get that.... The other points only exist for a limited period (as yet undetermined). When questioned simply pretends not to understand and answers with questions?

Nobody believes you. they think you're making it all up

Since I may be getting the landscape wrong, Gary please don't be shy and lay it on the line.... are you able to list your beliefs thus far?

I am not trying to attack you, I just can't see any bel.... or is that the point your lack of "firm" belief, simply means that all belief is in a state of constant flux???

I don't think you're attacking me. you just can't read and take in what I have already written numerous times.

I don't believe in God.
I may believe that there was a man named Jesus. this man was not magic.
I don't believe that the Big Bang created either the Earth or the Universe. I also don't believe that God created either.

The rest are just questions to your answers.

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Originally Posted by xocemp

You know you might just be onto something there, I wonder if anyone else has noticed
And dare I say it, is a trend found in every topic/thread the afore mentioned gentleman posts in

Instead of sniping and reading this thread with your blindfold covering your eyes when it suits. why don't you answer the question you asked of me earlier in the thread. the one I asked you back which you didn't want to answer?

I answered you, but you just kept replying with more questions to form a basis for an argument

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

i would say its about how accurate the copies are and how close to the original they are .

I think that could be true. if you read extracts from the Bible now. you can interpret it in so many different ways as to what it actually means.

It has to have been varied over the years. just by little things changing and having a different meaning if you like to what it originally was.