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nomadking · 31-03-2009, 21:18

IIRC the first car-related pedestrian death was where the car was moving at only 4mph. If someone suddenly steps out into the road there's not much you can do even if you are on a bicycle.

So you think that she could have crossed the road safely if the car had been going at 30 mph? It doesn't specify how far across the road she got before the collision.

Locky33 · 31-03-2009, 21:22

I have i am licensed to drive any type of vehicle not that i enjoy driving them. My opinion as i said before he should be locked up his negligence has cost a school girl her life. If it was my daughter i would want to run him over at 90MPH. I hate speeding i have to tolerate it with my job and living on a main road. The speed limit outside my front door 30MPH evenings its more like 40-50 with speed humps. Some have gone 70+ two of which have overturned in the last 10 years living here. Also some people got run down (lost count). My job is a refuse loader/driver wile loading ive been hit by a car in the last 6 months since i started the job even flashing beacons don't slow people down. As a driver i hate speeding only time i like it is in formula 1 where it belongs.

Peter_ · 31-03-2009, 21:24

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Originally Posted by nomadking

IIRC the first car-related pedestrian death was where the car was moving at only 4mph. If someone suddenly steps out into the road there's not much you can do even if you are on a bicycle.

So you think that she could have crossed the road safely if the car had been going at 30 mph? It doesn't specify how far across the road she got before the collision.

Why don't you watch this video then

"If you hit me a 30 mph the is a good chance i will live"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeUX6LABCEA

rogerdraig · 31-03-2009, 21:26

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Originally Posted by Moldova

What exactly does that mean?

Are you saying that any pedestrian should be aware that a speeding car going at 3 times the speed limit may knock them down and they should be aware of that fact or even worse that it could be a Police car without his Blues and Twos on at least giving some warning, are you actually in the real world.

yes i am in the real world

if you want to stay alive as a pedestrian it is you who has the best chance of achieving that by looking for what's coming and not assuming they will be travelling at the proscribed limit

even if this officer is guilty and has no good excuse the girl will still be dead

the way for the next pedestrian faced with a speeding car to stay alive is to not cross in front of it

Peter_ · 31-03-2009, 21:31

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Originally Posted by rogermevans

yes i am in the real world

if you want to stay alive as a pedestrian it is you who has the best chance of achieving that by looking for what's coming and not assuming they will be travelling at the proscribed limit

even if this officer is guilty and has no good excuse the girl will still be dead

the way for the next pedestrian faced with a speeding car to stay alive is to not cross in front of it

The video I posted above says it all about the speeds so please can everyone give it a click that reads this and see what it says about being hit at 30mph let alone 90mph.

Locky33 · 31-03-2009, 21:32

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Originally Posted by rogermevans

yes i am in the real world

if you want to stay alive as a pedestrian it is you who has the best chance of achieving that by looking for what's coming and not assuming they will be travelling at the proscribed limit

even if this officer is guilty and has no good excuse the girl will still be dead

the way for the next pedestrian faced with a speeding car to stay alive is to not cross in front of it

Try concentrating loading and collecting bins wearing high vizability clothing with flashing beacons and crossing the roads behind a bin lorry wile thinking of speeding drivers. Some of which mount the pavement at speed to get through gaps where they cant wait 5 seconds (how i was hit from BEHIND)

nomadking · 31-03-2009, 21:38

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Originally Posted by Moldova

Why don't you watch this video then

"If you hit me a 30 mph the is a good chance i will live"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeUX6LABCEA

Doesn't change the fact that a collision would still occur at 4mph or 30mph. Whether the outcome is fatal depends more on the injuries sustained than the speed. You can be killed by another pedestrian knocking you over if you fall in a particular manner(eg hitting head).

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Hayley, who was out with a group of friends, had just stepped into the road when she saw the speeding police car.

Didn't she or anybody else see the car before crossing the road? Were they looking or were they too busy talking to each other(equivalent to using a mobile phone while driving).

Peter_ · 31-03-2009, 21:56

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Hayley, who was out with a group of friends, had just stepped into the road when she saw the speeding police car.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Didn't she or anybody else see the car before crossing the road? Were they looking or were they too busy talking to each other(equivalent to using a mobile phone while driving).

You do not expect a car to be doing 90mph so do not try to use the defence she had stepped out or that she may have been talking to her friends.

It does not matter who the driver is as he is fully to blame for this and should rightfully lose his job and also he should serve time but in all likelihood he will be let off.

Anyone defending this how exactly would you behave if this death was your daughter would you still actually think that it was OK and that the poor chap was only doing his job and stay all lovey dovey liberal over it, or would you want his scalp.

SMG · 31-03-2009, 22:02

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Originally Posted by Derek S

Nice to see Innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to Police officers.

Also nice to see there are so many class 1 pursuit trained drivers on the site

Would you please post the link where it states he was a class 1 driver please. Unless the training has changed recently, your average traffic cop has a short, police driving course, which does not even come close to civilian Advanced Driving standards.

Police class 1 drivers, have exceptional skills, however, no police officer would consider driving at such a speed in a 30 zone. To do so, without very good reason, would be nothing short of extremely dangerous, bordering on criminal. To pursue a vehicle without warning devices on is not only stupid, but against Police policy.

Had a member of the public driven like that, he or she would be thrown to the dogs, & rightly so. Police Officers are answerable to the Law just the same as you & me. Based on the info I have read, It does seem that this was, a stupid, reckless driver, who killed an innocent girl.

Gary L · 31-03-2009, 22:06

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Originally Posted by Moldova

the poor chap was only doing his job

I think that's what makes it ok to some. and the possibility of them having the same view if it wasn't a police officer that killed her is probably 0.

31-03-2009, 22:23

my oldest son went to school with the girl in question he new her and most of her friends he knows what she was doing with her friends in the dene accross the road at that time of night on a school night ...the same as kids do all the time in the dene

the night after the accident some of the locals from scotswood started to throw stones at police and ambulance and fire engines they called out deliberately "so they could get back at them"

i feel sorry that this officer has had his career and life ruined because an alledgedly drunk teenager staggered into the road while he was trieing to catch up with a suspected stolen car

Gary L · 31-03-2009, 22:28

Who said the car was a suspected stolen?

31-03-2009, 22:31

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Who said the car was a suspected stolen?

according the local news about half hour ago the officer turned round after his onboard computer told him the car was suspect so he tried to catch up with it

Peter_ · 31-03-2009, 22:32

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Originally Posted by martyh

i feel sorry that this officer has had his career and life ruined because an alledgedly drunk teenager staggered into the road while he was trieing to catch up with a suspected stolen car

So because she was now allegedly drunk it is OK to be mown down by a car doing 90mph would you be as forgiving if it was your allegedly drunk child, I think not!

As for the accusation she was drunk were is the proof not that it matters when the car hitting you is doing 90mph.

31-03-2009, 22:36

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Originally Posted by Moldova

So because she was now allegedly drunk it is OK to be mown down by a car doing 90mph would you be as forgiving if it was your allegedly drunk child, I think not!

i didn't say it was ok
what i will say is that it is an unfortunate result of actions taken by both parties

her friends she had been drinking with allegedly