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rogerdraig · 31-03-2009, 20:35

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Training is not the same as experience.
90MPH is 90MPH. training doesn't make it any slower.

Police Officer then.

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No they are not.
I'm a superior driver. only difference is I wasn't trained by a police man and I don't have a certificate.

hmm training should make it safer ( i am not nor have i ever been an officer of the law

) though i wouldnt say it makes them superior drivers

side note the police ( and politicians ) make this harder to defend with thier constant speed is bad instead of bad driving is bad message

i wouldsay not having his lights and two tone on wont help but pedestrians should be taught to look out for cars but unfortunately are still brainwashed by the media that they have a perfect right to walk anywhere and the nasty car drivers will always be at fault

in this case he was working and made a desicion to try and stop a crime it may or may not have been a good choice but at least he was doing his job i have more of an issue with those exceeding the limit while not on duty

31-03-2009, 20:37

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Originally Posted by rogermevans

hmm training should make it safer ( i am not nor have i ever been an officer of the law

) though i wouldnt say it makes them superior drivers

side note the police ( and politicians ) make this harder to defend with thier constant speed is bad instead of bad driving is bad message

i wouldsay not having his lights and two tone on wont help but pedestrians should be taught to look out for cars but unfortunately are still brainwashed by the media that they have a perfect right to walk anywhere and the nasty car drivers will always be at fault

in this case he was working and made a desicion to try and stop a crime it may or may not have been a good choice but at least he was doing his job i have more of an issue with those exceeding the limit while not on duty

car comes at you @ 90mph in a 30 zones its gonna be on you massively quicker than normal. If the car was traveling any slower(or faster for that matter) she would be alive now. You can not blame someone crossing a road as the car would have been a dot in the distance then suddenly bang purely because it was traveling 3 times the limit

**Hugh** · 31-03-2009, 20:43

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Originally Posted by Gary L

...snippety snip snip..

Because everyone tells me I am. do I have to get an approval by the police in someway to prove it?

That statement is invalid - I haven't told you that, and I checked with my mates, and they haven't either

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rogerdraig · 31-03-2009, 20:45

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

car comes at you @ 90mph in a 30 zones its gonna be on you massively quicker than normal. If the car was traveling any slower(or faster for that matter) she would be alive now. You can not blame someone crossing a road as the car would have been a dot in the distance then suddenly bang purely because it was traveling 3 times the limit

don't normally disagree with you but on this i will

if he was rushing to get to your house because the nasty man was attacking you you would want him there fast

if a loved one has a heart attack you want the ambulance there as fast as he can

if your house is on fire and others are still in there you want the fireman there quick

pedestrians should look and check what's coming and NEVER assume they are travelling at the proscribed limit

as with those i used teach when driving yes the 32 tonner coming on to the roundabout to your left maybe should be giving way to you but if he cant stop it will be your relatives sueing him !

Derek · 31-03-2009, 20:47

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

so he turns round goes 90mph without sirens and kills someone and you think its ok?

No OK but there are some circumstances where I think sirens and lights might not be absolutely necessary.

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

is an arrest that precious to you that a teenager can die and you feel the need to jump in and say we are prejuduced because he was a cop?

No. The Police aren't paid per arrest but every time you drive after someone you have to balance the risks to yourself, the public and the person you are pursuing.
In this case someone died. From the initial reports I'd imagine he'll be found guilty of death by dangerous or death by careless driving. Either way he'll probably lose his job and license and quite probably his liberty.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Because everyone tells me I am. do I have to get an approval by the police in someway to prove it?

Err yes. If you want to discuss the full ins and outs of Police driving it would be nice if you had some form of advanced (Police, Ambulance, Fire Brigade, Armed Forces) driving training with regards to high speed driving.

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Originally Posted by Zinglebarb

Some of the facts and possibly fabrication.

And some of the facts can't be fabricated. The use of lights etc. is recorded, the ANPR will have recorded when it alerted the driver, recordings of transmissions etc. can't be tampered with and I'd imagine the crash investigation would have been undertaken by a separate force.

31-03-2009, 20:51

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Originally Posted by rogermevans

don't normally disagree with you but on this i will

if he was rushing to get to your house because the nasty man was attacking you you would want him there fast

if a loved one has a heart attack you want the ambulance there as fast as he can

if your house is on fire and others are still in there you want the fireman there quick

pedestrians should look and check what's coming and NEVER assume they are travelling at the proscribed limit

as with those i used teach when driving yes the 32 tonner coming on to the roundabout to your left maybe should be giving way to you but if he cant stop it will be your relatives sueing him !

the lack of blues and twos in this is unforgivable. An ambulance or fire engine at night use the lights and often leave the sirens off . Police should do the same. a car with no warning traveling at 90 mph in a 30 is just not on . After all if someone was threatening me this copper would not have got here would he as he killed someone

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Originally Posted by Derek S

No OK but there are some circumstances where I think sirens and lights might not be absolutely necessary.

No. The Police aren't paid per arrest but every time you drive after someone you have to balance the risks to yourself, the public and the person you are pursuing.
In this case someone died. From the initial reports I'd imagine he'll be found guilty of death by dangerous or death by careless driving. Either way he'll probably lose his job and license and quite probably his liberty.

Err yes. If you want to discuss the full ins and outs of Police driving it would be nice if you had some form of advanced (Police, Ambulance, Fire Brigade, Armed Forces) driving training with regards to high speed driving.

And some of the facts can't be fabricated. The use of lights etc. is recorded, the ANPR will have recorded when it alerted the driver, recordings of transmissions etc. can't be tampered with and I'd imagine the crash investigation would have been undertaken by a separate force.

So you think on the face of the evidence he is guilty. And you come into this thread having a go when you yourself think in law he is guilty? whats that all about man?

You also say police do not get paid by arrest but your commanding officers get pressured to improve figures with government targets etc and that pressure is passed down or am I wrong?

Gary L · 31-03-2009, 20:51

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Originally Posted by rogermevans

pedestrians should look and check what's coming and NEVER assume they are travelling at the proscribed limit

Tell that to her parents.
and then tell the parents of the girl that was killed by a drunk driver the same.

Derek · 31-03-2009, 20:53

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

So you think on the face of the evidence he is guilty.

On the initial reports I think he'll be found guilty.

Whether there was a reasonable excuse for his actions remains to be seen and the full facts will need to come out.

rogerdraig · 31-03-2009, 20:54

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

the lack of blues and twos in this is unforgivable. An ambulance or fire engine at night use the lights and often leave the sirens off . Police should do the same. a car with no warning traveling at 90 mph in a 30 is just not on . After all if someone was threatening me this copper would not have got here would he as he killed someone

i agree not having the blues and twos on does make it harder to defend but there are many reasons for not putting them on including just for getting

pedestrians must make sure its safe not assume that the cars will be doing the correct speed

31-03-2009, 20:58

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Originally Posted by Derek S

On the initial reports I think he'll be found guilty.

Whether there was a reasonable excuse for his actions remains to be seen and the full facts will need to come out.

what would be a reasonable excuse?

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Originally Posted by rogermevans

i agree not having the blues and twos on does make it harder to defend but there are many reasons for not putting them on including just for getting

pedestrians must make sure its safe not assume that the cars will be doing the correct speed

I think not expecting a car traveling at 90 mph is reasonable

Now id be careful crossing a dual carrageway

Gary L · 31-03-2009, 21:00

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Err yes. If you want to discuss the full ins and outs of Police driving it would be nice if you had some form of advanced (Police, Ambulance, Fire Brigade, Armed Forces) driving training with regards to high speed driving.

I'm not wanting to discuss the full ins and outs of police driving. I am a skilled driver, and proving my grade shouldn't determine whether my opinion counts.

rogerdraig · 31-03-2009, 21:05

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

what would be a reasonable excuse?

not defending him just giving reasons why it could be valid

car the anpr triggered could have been one going to an armed robbery a terrorist a murderer or just ( using the word ironically ) a joyrider ( they never knock down pedestrians do they )

not saying that he had those excuses BUT any pedestrian should be aware that they could have

**Hugh** · 31-03-2009, 21:06

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I'm not wanting to discuss the full ins and outs of police driving. I am a skilled driver, and proving my grade shouldn't determine whether my opinion counts.

Surely it does, if it is backing up your opinion (showing that it is informed)?

Have you taken any advanced driver training (and passed)?

Gary L · 31-03-2009, 21:12

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Surely it does, if it is backing up your opinion (showing that it is informed)?

Have you taken any advanced driver training (and passed)?

My opinion is that a police officer doing 90MPH in a 30MPH and killing someone, is the same as someone doing 90MPH in a 30MPH and killing someone.

Training doesn't alleviate the irresponsibility of it. all it means is that one probably had a straighter line of approach than the other.

Peter_ · 31-03-2009, 21:14

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Originally Posted by rogermevans

not saying that he had those excuses BUT any pedestrian should be aware that they could have

What exactly does that mean?

Are you saying that any pedestrian should be aware that a speeding car going at 3 times the speed limit may knock them down and they should be aware of that fact or even worse that it could be a Police car without his Blues and Twos on at least giving some warning, are you actually in the real world.