This one's going down

Gary L · 31-03-2009, 19:25

A Newcastle schoolgirl was hit by a police car which had accelerated to more than 90mph only seconds before, a court has heard.

Hayley Adamson, 16, was struck by the marked vehicle and killed instantly as she crossed Denton Road in the Scotswood area of the city in May 2008.

Newcastle Crown Court was told the car's blue lights or siren had not been activated.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/7975178.stm

31-03-2009, 19:29

lets hope so

Locky33 · 31-03-2009, 19:39

Outrage i hope he gets locked up the family must be devastated i live on a main road. I have daughters aged 7 and 11 my 11 year old starts secondary school in September she be making her own way there. Police don't seem to want to know speeding motorist's along here or the dangerous illegally parked vehicles on the footpath. Meaning pushchairs and the school kids got to go out in the main road.

Derek · 31-03-2009, 19:52

Nice to see Innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to Police officers.

Also nice to see there are so many class 1 pursuit trained drivers on the site

Anyway while it seems from the initial reports he is at fault there are times when excessive speed is necessary.

Oh and from a Mod point of view I'd suggest the thread title might be changed to something more suitable to suggest whats in the thread.

bmxbandit · 31-03-2009, 19:58

Odd wording, "accelerated to more than 90mph only seconds before". So, he was going somewhere between 0 and 90mph then?

Denton Road is big, long and (mostly) straight, seems a strange place to not notice a police car. Will be interesting to find out the exact circumstances.

Gary L · 31-03-2009, 20:04

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Originally Posted by Derek S

Nice to see Innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to Police officers.

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Also nice to see there are so many class 1 pursuit trained drivers on the site

You make it sound like they are superior drivers and there's an excuse somewhere for why this happened.

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Anyway while it seems from the initial reports he is at fault there are times when excessive speed is necessary.

Not on normal roads and not on a 30MPH one. not only is it reckless, he didn't give anybody a chance of knowing he's approaching at that speed.
A poor girl died because he probably didn't want to alert the car he was after.

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Oh and from a Mod point of view I'd suggest the thread title might be changed to something more suitable to suggest whats in the thread.

How about This copper's going down?

papa smurf · 31-03-2009, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Derek S

Nice to see Innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to Police officers.

Also nice to see there are so many class 1 pursuit trained drivers on the site

Anyway while it seems from the initial reports he is at fault there are times when excessive speed is necessary.

Oh and from a Mod point of view I'd suggest the thread title might be changed to something more suitable to suggest whats in the thread.

nice to see the police closing ranks
and nice to see sarcasm isn't dead
and this highly trained driver ran someone over,i have never run someone over must be lack of training.

**Hugh** · 31-03-2009, 20:14

No, Derek is pointing out that Class 1 pursuit drivers are better trained than normal drivers, but has not stated that as an excuse (imho).

Gary, your last comment does you no justice.

Derek · 31-03-2009, 20:17

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Originally Posted by Gary L

You make it sound like they are superior drivers and there's an excuse somewhere for why this happened.

They are superior drivers. And there may well be a valid reason why this happened, all the facts will come out as the trial continues.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

nice to see the police closing ranks

Closing ranks? I'm only pointing out that its not always cut and dried. In fact in my first post I said it appears that he is at fault.

31-03-2009, 20:18

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Originally Posted by Derek S

Nice to see Innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to Police officers.

Also nice to see there are so many class 1 pursuit trained drivers on the site

Anyway while it seems from the initial reports he is at fault there are times when excessive speed is necessary.

Oh and from a Mod point of view I'd suggest the thread title might be changed to something more suitable to suggest whats in the thread.

dude it would not have mattered wether he was a copper or not. 90mph in a 30 zone at a time kids could be about? do not really care about his qualifications. Would you pursuit without your blues and twos?

Gary L · 31-03-2009, 20:22

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

No, Derek is pointing out that Class 1 pursuit drivers are better trained than normal drivers, but has not stated that as an excuse (imho).

Training is not the same as experience.
90MPH is 90MPH. training doesn't make it any slower.

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Gary, your last comment does you no justice.

Police Officer then.

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Originally Posted by Derek S

They are superior drivers.

No they are not.
I'm a superior driver. only difference is I wasn't trained by a police man and I don't have a certificate.

Derek · 31-03-2009, 20:26

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

90mph in a 30 zone at a time kids could be about?

Kids? It was almost midnight on a Monday night.

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

do not really care about his qualifications. Would you pursuit without your blues and twos?

Probably not. As I've said the full circumstances will come out but *IF* the car was trying to make ground on the car that pinged his ANPR camera without alerting it firing on blue lights and sirens would allow them to escape.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

No they are not.
I'm a superior driver. only difference is I wasn't trained by a police man and I don't have a certificate.

At the risk of going off-topic what makes you a superior driver?

31-03-2009, 20:31

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Originally Posted by Derek S

Kids? It was almost midnight on a Monday night.

Probably not. As I've said the full circumstances will come out but *IF* the car was trying to make ground on the car that pinged his ANPR camera without alerting it firing on blue lights and sirens would allow them to escape.

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At the risk of going off-topic what makes you a superior driver?

so he turns round goes 90mph without sirens and kills someone and you think its ok? is an arrest that precious to you that a teenager can die and you feel the need to jump in and say we are prejuduced because he was a cop? well I would have been just as disgusted no matter who killed her.

Gary L · 31-03-2009, 20:34

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Originally Posted by Derek S

Kids? It was almost midnight on a Monday night.

I'll use that one next time I get stopped for doing 37MPH. after he's given me an earful about how dangerous my driving is.

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Probably not. As I've said the full circumstances will come out but *IF* the car was trying to make ground on the car that pinged his ANPR camera without alerting it firing on blue lights and sirens would allow them to escape.

He more than likely will use that excuse. infact it's probably a dead cert that he will.
It's a poor excuse and will be seen as disrespect to the girl that died.

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At the risk of going off-topic what makes you a superior driver?

Because everyone tells me I am. do I have to get an approval by the police in someway to prove it?

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

so he turns round goes 90mph without sirens and kills someone and you think its ok? is an arrest that precious to you that a teenager can die and you feel the need to jump in and say we are prejuduced because he was a cop? well I would have been just as disgusted no matter who killed her.

I would too. my judgement would be no different whether he is police or not.

31-03-2009, 20:35

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Originally Posted by Derek S

They are superior drivers. And there may well be a valid reason why this happened, all the facts will come out as the trial continues.

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Closing ranks? I'm only pointing out that its not always cut and dried. In fact in my first post I said it appears that he is at fault.

Some of the facts and possibly fabrication. Its human nature to try and get out of something and it would not be the first time fellow officers manipulate things to get one of them off( I speak from experience as an uncle of mine was a copper assaulted a fellow and the bull crap that comeout got him off with it)