£80 set up fee??!!

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Stephen

What a load of nonsense!

Really? Kindly explain why then I'll offer a rebuttal based on how the network has been deployed

Simply saying 'What a load of nonsense' is somewhat lacking in detail to say the least and if you're going to suggest I'm speaking nonsense you could at least offer some facts as to why

[Ignitionnet]

OK I'll save you the bother.

As you know 20Mbit is moved onto the DOCSIS 3 network along with the 50Mbit customers and there are 3 channels in use in most areas, 3 x 51Mbit. There are maybe 1 or 2 8.8Mbit upstreams available.

What you evidently don't know is that most of a legacy CMTS is being moved onto each 50Mbit MAC domain - In my CMTS's case if you were to move 75% of the customers across, not an uncommon combining apparently, you are dealing with 300 20Mbit modems on 2 8.8Mbit upstream and 3 51Mbit upstreams, not including the 50Mbit customers with no STM.

Presently the loading is around 100 modems of all tiers to an upstream, so you can see why a big uptake of 50Mbit with its' un-STM'd bandwidth restrictions might be problematic.

Any further questions have a check on your tools or log directly onto a 10k / BSR for how many nodes a single 50Mbit downstream group is spread across relative to a standard downstream.

[General Maximus]

Originally Posted by Stephen

What a load of nonsense!

why are the 20mbit dudes still being stm'd then if docsis 3 is supposed to be all singing and all dancing?

[Mr_Moo]

Originally Posted by Moldova

If we want it we have to pay the install and I know one person who has.

I didnt think we could get 50mb on the staff package?

[moaningmags]

Not at a discounted rate, we can at full price though including activation and install fee.
I was quoted £52 per month for 50meg.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Mr_Moo

I didnt think we could get 50mb on the staff package?

As Mags said it is not available on the staff package we have to pay full price and the £80 install.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

Really? Kindly explain why then I'll offer a rebuttal based on how the network has been deployed

Simply saying 'What a load of nonsense' is somewhat lacking in detail to say the least and if you're going to suggest I'm speaking nonsense you could at least offer some facts as to why

I don't want to start an arguement of any sort. Simply what you said earlier was rubbish.

Also they will eventually be moving all the tiers over, although 10MB will be using DOCSIS 2.0 rather than 3.

They wouldn't do that if it wasn't able to handle it!

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Stephen

I don't want to start an arguement of any sort. Simply what you said earlier was rubbish..

Also they will eventually be moving all the tiers over, although 10MB will be using DOCSIS 2.0 rather than 3.

They wouldn't do that if it wasn't able to handle it!

Sorry, you can't just say I'm talking rubbish then say that you don't want an argument and not back it up in any way.

I said that the network as rolled out cannot handle a high uptake, I didn't that this couldn't change which of course it will as time proceeds.

All modems regardless of tier are to be load balanced across the DOCSIS 3 architecture alongside the existing VXR architecture and there will be no further VXRs added to the network. Return path bandwidth will be increased through reclaimation of upstream spectrum from VXRs to Next-Gen CMTS as load shifts, reduction in MAC domain sizes on D3 bonded groups, and introduction of DOCSIS 2 ATDMA upstream modulations and channel widths.

Right now however there is only a straight overlay, no upstream spectrum has been reclaimed, Next-Gen CMTS MAC domains are huge due to hurried deployment, and there's no ATDMA live due to STB incompatibilities meaning that upstream bandwidth is not something in plentiful supply, hence the very low upstream on the 50Mbit service at launch.

If you want an idea of how large an area the D3 bonded groups are covering think about how many downstreams you can get out of the GigE SPA capacity of a 10k and EQAMs. There are 2 10ks serving 50Mbit and 20Mbit to an area with 15 VXRs and at a guesstimate probably nearly 40,000 modems and 100,000 homes passed.

I don't want an argument either, though a debate is fine! The above are the facts as I see them, having both seen D3 overlays done on 3 other cablecos, and based on information from people who are among those doing the VM overlay.

[rvspeter07]

What is annoying for existing customers is that new customers who order online get a £50 bill credit, effectively getting rid of the "activation fee", whereas existing customers cannot have this.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

Sorry, you can't just say I'm talking rubbish then say that you don't want an argument and not back it up in any way.

I said that the network as rolled out cannot handle a high uptake, I didn't that this couldn't change which of course it will as time proceeds.

All modems regardless of tier are to be load balanced across the DOCSIS 3 architecture alongside the existing VXR architecture and there will be no further VXRs added to the network. Return path bandwidth will be increased through reclaimation of upstream spectrum from VXRs to Next-Gen CMTS as load shifts, reduction in MAC domain sizes on D3 bonded groups, and introduction of DOCSIS 2 ATDMA upstream modulations and channel widths.

Right now however there is only a straight overlay, no upstream spectrum has been reclaimed, Next-Gen CMTS MAC domains are huge due to hurried deployment, and there's no ATDMA live due to STB incompatibilities meaning that upstream bandwidth is not something in plentiful supply, hence the very low upstream on the 50Mbit service at launch.

If you want an idea of how large an area the D3 bonded groups are covering think about how many downstreams you can get out of the GigE SPA capacity of a 10k and EQAMs. There are 2 10ks serving 50Mbit and 20Mbit to an area with 15 VXRs and at a guesstimate probably nearly 40,000 modems and 100,000 homes passed.

I don't want an argument either, though a debate is fine! The above are the facts as I see them, having both seen D3 overlays done on 3 other cablecos, and based on information from people who are among those doing the VM overlay.

Well any older modems that may be incompatible with DOCSIS 2.0 will be getting replaced before everything moves over.

Originally Posted by rvspeter07

What is annoying for existing customers is that new customers who order online get a £50 bill credit, effectively getting rid of the "activation fee", whereas existing customers cannot have this.

Yes but let's not get into yet another discussion over new customer deals and existing customers not getting them.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Well any older modems that may be incompatible with DOCSIS 2.0 will be getting replaced before everything moves over.

Everything since the 200 has been compatible, and even modems that don't support DOCSIS 2 can acquire a D2 upstream, D2 is mandatorily backwards compatible. VM could even leave a legacy 1.1 upstream just incase, so no need to ensure everything is replaced that are technical remedies to ease migration.

[pk1209]

I just had the same phone call - said no because of the install fee, thinking there might be a way around it, but it doesn't look like it!

Funny though, the woman said I needed some new wires!

However, my quote per month was £53 odd, even though I have the £11 a month phone already (with free TV). The website clearly states that XXL is £35 a month when taken with the £11 phone package.

My maths ain't great but that's definately £46 a month and not £53. Has anybody else experienced this?

Ta

pk

[Welshchris]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

OK I'll save you the bother.

As you know 20Mbit is moved onto the DOCSIS 3 network along with the 50Mbit customers and there are 3 channels in use in most areas, 3 x 51Mbit. There are maybe 1 or 2 8.8Mbit upstreams available.

What you evidently don't know is that most of a legacy CMTS is being moved onto each 50Mbit MAC domain - In my CMTS's case if you were to move 75% of the customers across, not an uncommon combining apparently, you are dealing with 300 20Mbit modems on 2 8.8Mbit upstream and 3 51Mbit upstreams, not including the 50Mbit customers with no STM.

Presently the loading is around 100 modems of all tiers to an upstream, so you can see why a big uptake of 50Mbit with its' un-STM'd bandwidth restrictions might be problematic.

Any further questions have a check on your tools or log directly onto a 10k / BSR for how many nodes a single 50Mbit downstream group is spread across relative to a standard downstream.

uve stated here that 20mb users will be using Docsis 3.0, ive spoken to u about this before on other posts and u have stated that this is not the case they will be using only docsis 2.0. If the 20mb users are to use and get the full affect of docsis 3.0 surely Virgin would have to replace the modems of the 20mb users to docsis 3.0 compatible ones.

They will be running on the DOCSIS 3 network Chris, this is backwards compatable.