Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain - Page 7

piggy · 21-03-2009, 12:16

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Originally Posted by Bender

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i thought it was the larch tree

Ramrod · 21-03-2009, 12:18

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Originally Posted by Russ B

(sigh)

The man was saying he wants the PM to share his religion..

.......and the rest of the govt......what happens if this comes to pass since countries run by muslims are rather incompatable with western democratic principles?
You may argue that this is unlikely to actually come to pass. Thats immaterial, the point I'm making is that our govt has a minister who wants this to come to pass.....I find this worrying.

soicky · 21-03-2009, 12:21

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

.......and the rest of the govt......what happens if this comes to pass since countries run by muslims are rather incompatable with western democratic principles?
You may argue that this is unlikely to actually come to pass. Thats immaterial, the point I'm making is that our govt has a minister who wants this to come to pass.....I find this worrying.

Well you worry to much than.

Ramrod · 21-03-2009, 12:35

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Originally Posted by soicky

Well you worry to much than.

Thats probably what people said about Hitler as well......
It's interesting that you are unwilling to actually address my points and simply address the fact that I'm worried.

21-03-2009, 12:40

"and thats when i lost it your honour" This thread has gone from daft to silly and back a few times so now seems like a good time to leave have fun all cya l8r.

idi banashapan · 21-03-2009, 12:42

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Um, yes, thats true.....but we (as in anyone who is alive today) didn't, so whats your point?
In my case, my ancestors didn't have any imperialistic tendencies so I don't even have any (strange f*cked up) ancestral guilt either...

my point regarding this comment was in post 78, paragraph 3, where i said;

"is history repeating itself in a cruel, ironic way? only time will tell I suppose. no-one can really predict the future."

**Maggy** · 21-03-2009, 12:42

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Thats probably what people said about Hitler as well......

Rammy I think you are likely to find that a larger percentage of the population who have no interest in religion what so ever are likely to have the larger voice in this matter.In case you hadn't noticed the atheists have become militant and are arguing back big time against what they see as the militarism of all religions.. and there are a lot more of us than there was when I was a young teacher.

Anyway what someone wants and voices is a long way from what they are likely to realise or see.

Ramrod · 21-03-2009, 12:48

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Originally Posted by Bender

only time will tell I suppose. no-one can really predict the future."

I agree, but what do you have to say about that labour MPs wishes for the future of this country's government?
"god willing"

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

"and thats when i lost it your honour" This thread has gone from daft to silly and back a few times so now seems like a good time to leave have fun all cya l8r.

Ok m8, run away rather than address the points I have raised.
First the vid was a hoax
.....that was disproved
Then he merely joking
.....muslims probably don't joke with the words 'god willing'
Then I'm told 'don't worry, it will never happen'
......thats immaterial, we have an MP whos game plan would seem to be incompatable with our democracy.

Russ · 21-03-2009, 12:49

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Originally Posted by soicky

Well you worry to much than.

Ramrod · 21-03-2009, 12:49

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Anyway what someone wants and voices is a long way from what they are likely to realise or see.

Immaterial, he shouldn't be saying/hoping for stuff like that.

**Maggy** · 21-03-2009, 13:00

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Immaterial, he shouldn't be saying/hoping for stuff like that.

With all due respect this is still a democracy and provided he does not incite violence or promote intolerance or support terrorism then he is free to speak his opinion.

Frankly I'd rather hear it than have it thought but not uttered...

Russ · 21-03-2009, 13:01

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Immaterial, he shouldn't be saying/hoping for stuff like that.

And in a democracy, YOU shouldn't be saying things like that.

Sir John Luke · 21-03-2009, 13:10

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Thats probably what people said about Hitler as well......

As far as I am aware, Hitler rose to power on a wave of nationalism and prejudice against people of a certain religion, stoked up by an extreme right-wing party. Ring any bells?

soicky · 21-03-2009, 13:22

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Originally Posted by Sir John Luke

As far as I am aware, Hitler rose to power on a wave of nationalism and prejudice against people of a certain religion, stoked up by an extreme right-wing party. Ring any bells?

**Hugh** · 21-03-2009, 14:04

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

I agree, but what do you have to say about that labour MPs wishes for the future of this country's government?
"god willing"

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Ok m8, run away rather than address the points I have raised.
First the vid was a hoax
.....that was disproved
Then he merely joking
.....muslims probably don't joke with the words 'god willing'
Then I'm told 'don't worry, it will never happen'
......thats immaterial, we have an MP whos game plan would seem to be incompatable with our democracy.

Rammy, you appear to be a little confused - I posted this, with a link to the clip, less than two hours after your OP.

He hoped there would be 20 Muslim MPs, God willing, and that within 30 years there would be a Muslim PM, God willing - he never stated that the all the MPs would be Muslim, God willing or the entire government (which he never said) would be Muslim, God willing; I think you are interpreting this in your own special way.

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Can I point out (even though it's been pointed out before), that he said "at this rate, the whole Parliament will be Muslim" as a joke (please see clip at 0:20), and he then said he could see a time when there would be a Muslim Prime Minister, not the "Total Islamification of Britain". Why is this any different from having a Jewish for a Catholic Prime Minister.

I think the thread title is totally misleading and inflammatory.

His "game-plan", according your post #50, also includes
"# Voted strongly for introducing ID cards. votes, speeches
# Voted very strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws. votes, speeches
# Voted very strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war. votes, speeches
# Voted very strongly for replacing Trident. votes, speeches
# Voted for equal gay rights. votes, speeches"
Very anti-democratic, huh?

btw, you are very quick to point any slight discrepancies in posts that disagree with the information in the OP from the BNP site, but seem less keen to highlight the inaccuracies in the information in the OP from the BNP site, to wit -
a) Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain - which at no time in the 7 odd minutes of the speech was this called for.
b) The video speech in which Mr Malik made his remarks has now been released on the internet — nearly five months after the event. The suppression of the video was clearly designed to try and limit the damage to the ruling Tory and Labour elite - when in fact it was on the organisations website, and has been on YouTube for over three months, along with other videos from the conference.

Your attitude appears to be "no matter what the evidence, he is guilty" - pointless trying to have a reasoned discussion on this, imho.