Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain - Page 6

Ramrod · 20-03-2009, 20:55

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Originally Posted by mischievious

2nd Even if he were a muslim despot, that simply is not enough to de-rail our system of govt

Look how much our democratically elected govts have done to give our country up to Europe's governance....
You honestly think that a 'muslim despot' couldn't do even more damage?

......but we are getting silly now

frogstamper · 20-03-2009, 21:10

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Actually I think we are more likely to have a totally atheist regime and government...

Just to put in my two penneth, I neither want a Muslim PM a Christian PM or any politician that defines him/herself by their particular brand of faith.
I don't want to see any politician in this country behaving like their counterparts in the US, whereby everything they do is followed by the words god willing, in my opinion a democracy should be atheist in that religion should play no part at all in the day to day running of a country.
As far as I'm concerned religion is already too close to politics in this country, what other western democracy has church leaders sitting in their upper or second houses with a vote on current laws? instead of worrying about the BNPs propaganda we should be more concerned about the current and up-coming religious effect on the Lords.
How much longer before we have Imam's, Rabbi's and other religious leaders demanding a seat? Whatever government faces this problem will have two choices as I see it, either to capitulate and therefore have an ever growing religious element to our "liberal democracy" or grasp the nettle and legislate that the current bishops will not be replaced when they die.

idi banashapan · 20-03-2009, 21:18

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

There would be civil war and it would be bloody cuz I doubt the Islamic government would worry about our human rights

don't you know it!

look at the once proud British Empire and European settlers of yester-year. travelling to far off lands on their wooden sail boats. making peaceful contact with natives, edging their way in, then taking over the land for themselves (I'm obviously talking about northern ans southern America and Australia mainly).

is history repeating itself in a cruel, ironic way? only time will tell I suppose. no-one can really predict the future.

at the same time, maybe we would all be better off with a unified world. one where boundaries of lands does not matter and all ethnicities live peacefully together without prejudice and unrest. why would a muslim not make a fantasic leader for the UK? one should not judge another based on the language they speak or the colour of their skin, should they?

mischievious · 20-03-2009, 22:04

I'm pretty sure you can also include the rest (as in what was considered a part of the empire e.g. India at one time though maybe only parts not all)....

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Look how much our democratically elected govts have done to give our country up to Europe's governance....
You honestly think that a 'muslim despot' couldn't do even more damage?

......but we are getting silly now

I was just thinking, yes in terms of the BNP this is very silly.... However, didn't Maggie Thatcher sack her cabinet (mostly), then put in people she liked. Then Slept with one or two or was that just flirting and rumour? before her demise.

I offer none of this as fact I simply dont see the need just now to look into Maggie and her rough rule... I seem to recall snippetts is all.

**Hugh** · 20-03-2009, 22:33

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Originally Posted by Bender

don't you know it!

look at the once proud British Empire and European settlers of yester-year. travelling to far off lands on their wooden sail boats. making peaceful contact with natives, edging their way in, then taking over the land for themselves (I'm obviously talking about northern ans southern America and Australia mainly).

is history repeating itself in a cruel, ironic way? only time will tell I suppose. no-one can really predict the future.

at the same time, maybe we would all be better off with a unified world. one where boundaries of lands does not matterand all ethnicities live peacefully together without prejudice and unrest. why would a muslim not make a fantasic leader for the UK? one should not judge another based on the language they speak or the colour of their skin, should they?

The native Americans, Australian aborigines, Maoris and all the other natives of the countries you conveniently "omitted" may disagree with your rather simplistic "I'm all right, Jack, so screw you (and thank you for all your assets) attitude.

frogstamper · 20-03-2009, 22:50

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

The native Americans, Australian aborigines, Maoris and all the other natives of the countries you conveniently "omitted" may disagree with your rather simplistic "I'm all right, Jack, so screw you (and thank you for all your assets) attitude.

The problem is foreverwar your not looking at the empire through rose tinted glasses

I mean we gave Africa and India the railways, and "civilised" Johnny Foreigner...what more could they have wanted?
It seems some people believe the empire was purely an altruistic endeavour on our part done out of the goodness of our hearts.
Just a little example of our "altruistic" behaviour was how we flooded China with Indian Opium in the process causing untold misery, and when the Chinese government complained we went to war to insure this insidious trades survival, not once but twice, yep those were the days.

idi banashapan · 20-03-2009, 23:07

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

The native Americans, Australian aborigines, Maoris and all the other natives of the countries you conveniently "omitted" may disagree with your rather simplistic "I'm all right, Jack, so screw you (and thank you for all your assets) attitude.

I'm not sure what you are getting at here. my post was to highlight the fact that the 'civilized' europeans went to these lands and killed a ludicrous amount of natives in order to gain their land and claim it for their own. this includes the red indians and aborigines, etc all culled in the name of kings and queens... please clarify your point.

kingbuxton · 21-03-2009, 00:24

Depends on which culture moves away from paganism into Science first, Christainity or Islam? From what little I know (or care) Islam is far more inbred as a way of life than Christianity, and so, given enough time and given enough "people in charge that put career befor standing up and saying something" Islam will take over the World OR all people that are "into" Islam end up dead, which happens first. One would hope that at some point in the future we either discover " A God Exists" OR everyone wakes up and realises things are the way they are until we figure out the "The Meaning Of Life" accept it and get on with it. You die, you die, don't worry about it. It's not a competition to prove who is right, and if it is, leave the rest of us out of it.

Islam can take the planet, so can Christianity, all I ask is they have the decency to leave a little bit for the rest of us to do what we want.

idi banashapan · 21-03-2009, 00:31

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton

One would hope that at some point in the future we either discover " A God Exists" OR everyone wakes up and realises things are the way they are until we figure out the "The Meaning Of Life" accept it and get on with it.

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Ramrod · 21-03-2009, 00:39

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Originally Posted by mischievious

I was just thinking, yes in terms of the BNP this is very silly.... However, didn't Maggie Thatcher sack her cabinet (mostly), then put in people she liked. Then Slept with one or two or was that just flirting and rumour? before her demise.

I offer none of this as fact I simply dont see the need just now to look into Maggie and her rough rule... I seem to recall snippetts is all.

I'm not going to bite on that

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Originally Posted by Bender

I'm not sure what you are getting at here. my post was to highlight the fact that the 'civilized' europeans went to these lands and killed a ludicrous amount of natives in order to gain their land and claim it for their own. this includes the red indians and aborigines, etc all culled in the name of kings and queens...

Um, yes, thats true.....but we (as in anyone who is alive today) didn't, so whats your point?
In my case, my ancestors didn't have any imperialistic tendencies so I don't even have any (strange f*cked up) ancestral guilt either...

kingbuxton · 21-03-2009, 03:04

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Oh well done Edmund

If only it was that simple, funny thing is, in my mind, it is

Mr Angry · 21-03-2009, 08:38

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Um, yes, thats true.....but we (as in anyone who is alive today) didn't, so whats your point?
In my case, my ancestors didn't have any imperialistic tendencies so I don't even have any (strange f*cked up) ancestral guilt either...

"Western democracy" is the new "....in the name of kings and queens".

**Hugh** · 21-03-2009, 11:14

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Originally Posted by Bender

I'm not sure what you are getting at here. my post was to highlight the fact that the 'civilized' europeans went to these lands and killed a ludicrous amount of natives in order to gain their land and claim it for their own. this includes the red indians and aborigines, etc all culled in the name of kings and queens... please clarify your point.

Apologies - it was not clear to me that your post was attempting to be "humourous".

Ramrod · 21-03-2009, 12:10

Two things have just occured to me re this thread.
1) Several participants here rubbished the video on the grounds that it came from a bnp site. Now that the original full length vid has been linked to (demonstrating that it wasn't a hoax) are you going to actually address what was said in the vid? (you know who you are)
2)The point has been made that he is simply joking. Is it normal for a muslim to joke with the words 'god willing'? I'm assuming that there would have been many pious muslims in that audience who would take a dim view of that kind of thing. Not something that a polititian would want to be doing? That would then imply that he wasn't joking?

Russ · 21-03-2009, 12:13

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Two things have just occured to me re this thread.
1) Several participants here rubbished the video on the grounds that it came from a bnp site. Now that the original full length vid has been linked to (demonstrating that it wasn't a hoax) are you going to actually address what was said in the vid? (you know who you are)
2)The point has been made that he is simply joking. Is it normal for a muslim to joke with the words 'god willing'? I'm assuming that there would have been many pious muslims in that audience who would take a dim view of that kind of thing. Not something that a polititian would want to be doing? That would then imply that he wasn't joking?

(sigh)

The man was saying he wants the PM to share his religion...nothing wrong with that...nothing to see here...please, move on.