Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Damien

Also because, as foreverwar pointed out, he was making a joke. So the source presented it as they wanted people to see it. So the context is not for real so what is the point on commenting on it?

As I have already said, it doesn't look like he's making it look like a joke to me......but anyway, I'm not sure of it's authenticity now either. I just wish that someone here could give us a definitive answer on that.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

I looked at the official conference site for a video of his speech.

Was it there? Or was it missing (like the BNP said)?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

....and the rest of the cabinet. Tell me Russ, how many countries run by muslims allow christian churches on their soil?

Blair was a Christian. Does that mean we were run by Christians for 11 years? Unless of course you're under the impression a Muslim leader will only allow fellow Muslims in his Cabinet and swap everything over to Sharia Law?

Here is the original "synced" speech, put on to YouTube late December 2008 (which seems to contradict that this speech was being kept "secret").

Link

But I suppose people believe what they want to believe.

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

....and the rest of the cabinet. Tell me Russ, how many countries run by muslims allow christian churches on their soil?

He didn't say that - now you are making stuff up, Rammy.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

As I have already said, it doesn't look like he's making it look like a joke to me......but anyway, I'm not sure of it's authenticity now either. I just wish that someone here could give us a definitive answer on that.

I don't really think that is going to happen, we can't find evidence that explicitly states that he does not want a Islamic Britain. He is making a joke, or an exaggeration to prove a point, by commenting on the success of Muslims in politics by stating at this rate all of parliament will be Muslim. He then laughs and makes the comment about it not being his intention.

Although his wish for a Muslim Prime Minster is not wrong, or scary, it makes sense. I think everyone wishes for a Prime Minster whom best represents their view, so Jews would wish the same, Christians would wish the same and I as an atheist wish the same.

Finally, no matter what his alleged wishes and predictions are they will not happen. His country is increasingly less religious, as Maggy says, the chances of a Atheist parliament and Prime Minster are far more likely.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

He didn't say that - now you are making stuff up, Rammy.

He did, "the whole parliment will be muslim"

[Russ]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

He didn't say that - now you are making stuff up, Rammy.

Par for the course in these types of thread.

The guy is saying what he wants for his vision of Britain. I dare say there is enough anti-Muslim feeling in Whitehall to ensure it never happens.

[Sir John Luke]

http://www.theglobalunity.com/index....129&Itemid=272

Haven't had a chance to view/listen, but this seems to be the 'official' version (use the > to scroll right).

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Here is the original "synced" speech, put on to YouTube late December 2008 (which seems to contradict that this speech was being kept "secret").

Link

But I suppose people believe what they want to believe.

That link doesn't help his case really. We have a justice minister who seems preoccupied with all things muslim rather than all things British and who clearly hasn't been edited (as some have claimed here)

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Par for the course in these types of thread.

Excuse me Russ, but he did say that....
....and you still haven't anwered my question, just sidestepped it....

[Russ]

I don't see anything referring to Christian churches being abolished.

[Sir John Luke]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

That link doesn't help his case really. We have a justice minister who seems preoccupied with all things muslim rather than all things British and who clearly hasn't been edited (as some have claimed here)

Again 'without prejudice', as I've not had the chance to listen, this was a Muslim conference, so it's hardly surprising if his speech covered 'all things Muslim'.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

That link doesn't help his case really. We have a justice minister who seems preoccupied with all things muslim rather than all things British and who clearly hasn't been edited (as some have claimed here)

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Excuse me Russ, but he did say that....
....and you still haven't anwered my question, just sidestepped it....

Oh, come on - it was a Muslim conference and a mostly Muslim audience. I used to attend Tory Conferences, and strangely enough, most of the topics were those concerning Tories and their viewpoints (whoda thunk). I attended a University and Colleges Information Systems Association conference in Liverpool last week, and we seemed to focus on IT and Higher Education. Methinks you are looking for reasons to condemn.

And yes, he did say that, but most people seem to realise that,when he grinned and commented about the press, it was a joke.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Sir John Luke

Again 'without prejudice', as I've not had the chance to listen, this was a Muslim conference, so it's hardly surprising his speech covered 'all things Muslim'.

.......to the exclusion of anything else, I noted. But maby I'm just paranoid (I'm serious, I'm willing to entertain that notion)

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

And yes, he did say that, but most people seem to realise that,when he grinned and commented about the press, it was a joke.

We shall see, I hope I'm wrong....

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Originally Posted by Russ B

I don't see anything referring to Christian churches being abolished.

My question wasn't referencing the video, but in reply to your post.....

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Oh, come on - it was a Muslim conference and a mostly Muslim audience. I used to attend Tory Conferences, and strangely enough, most of the topics were those concerning Tories and their viewpoints (whoda thunk). I attended a University and Colleges Information Systems Association conference in Liverpool last week, and we seemed to focus on IT and Higher Education. Methinks you are looking for reasons to condemn.

Tory and IT isn't a religion. Silly comparison....

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

And yes, he did say that, but most people seem to realise that,when he grinned and commented about the press, it was a joke.

I hope it was a joke.

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Originally Posted by Russ B

The guy is saying what he wants for his vision of Britain.

Thank you, thats the first post in this thread that acknowledges what he seems to be saying.......
I hope you are wrong and that he was just joking.

Can we just bring some reality to this thread - how in a Higher Beings name would Muslims gain a majority of the 650 MPs; start up the "let's convert Britain to Muslimia Party", and then they would sneak around at night brainwashing everyone to convert to Islam, and making part of the conversion a pact to vote for the LCBTMP.

At the last election, NuLab won with just under 10 million votes, and at the 2001 Census there were 1.5 million Muslims in the UK (and if we say conservatively half of those were children who can't vote, which makes 0.75 million voters). The LCBTMP would have to multiply the number of Muslims 13 times. And that assumes no one votes against them, which some of the comments on this thread, seems highly unlikely.

Reality check, anyone.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Can we just bring some reality to this thread - how in a Higher Beings name would Muslims gain a majority of the 650 MPs; start up the "let's convert Britain to Muslimia Party", and then they would sneak around at night brainwashing everyone to convert to Islam, and making part of the conversion a pact to vote for the LCBTMP.

At the last election, NuLab won with just under 10 million votes, and at the 2001 Census there were 1.5 million Muslims in the UK (and if we say conservatively half of those were children who can't vote, which makes 0.75 million voters). The LCBTMP would have to multiply the number of Muslims 13 times. And that assumes no one votes against them, which some of the comments on this thread, seems highly unlikely.

Reality check, anyone.

Cool, I'm happy with that

[mischievious]

I agree, some of the stuff here is M.A.D....

I watched the conference video and it seemed clear that he was joking.... it wasn't the smile that tipped me off but it helped.... The clear reason for me is that he was speaking as though it were a theoretical mathmatical problem like what I used to do at school e.g what is the next number in the sequence

2, 4, 8, 16, 32, ??

if you continue in this fashion you can theoretically reach/exceed any total as defined with the puzzle...

1st are we naieve enough to believe that our system of government is so fragile that it couldn't cope with a muslim PM

2nd Even if he were a muslim despot, that simply is not enough to de-rail our system of govt

3rd It wasn't that long ago that a Black president of America would have been tolerated.

Who can really say whay will happen in 30 years?