The existence of God

[mischievious]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

You have been a member here since 2003 and NOW you ask this question...

It was mentioned that he hadn't heard this story before, why not?

Originally Posted by Bender

ha! I see... I take it this one is a bone of contention here? I am aware there are some very religious people who post here, and not being religious myself (though I believe there is something greater than ourselves out there somewhere), I just wanted to see how faith defends such predicaments. in a way, there is logic on both sides of the fence here.

Faith has never depended on logic, or having to defend itself against straw-man loaded questions (again, imho).

Originally Posted by mischievious

It was mentioned that he hadn't heard this story before, why not?

Why don't you read what I posted..and what I quoted?

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

I think it shows people find what they want to see in the story

What's the old joke? - show a plumber a problem, and it will be a plumbing problem.

Likewise, I believe that most people will find in that "story" something that reinforces their existing viewpoint (imho).

I'm sure that's true but the only opinion it has formed for me is that the story is flawed. And that couldn't have been my opinion before since I didn't know the story.

And I normally enjoy parables, Jesus brand or any other.

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

You have been a member here since 2003 and NOW you ask this question...

well, not really being religious, I tend to stay away from the religious threads, as I don;t really have anything to offer them.

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Faith has never depended on logic, or having to defend itself against straw-man loaded questions (again, imho).

that is a very good point.

[mischievious]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Why don't you read what I posted..and what I quoted?

I did, you asked why bring it up now.... considering he has only just read this story it would be impossible to bring this up before he had read it.....

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by Russ B

I suffer these types of threads a lot so I'd say the answer might be no....

you need not suffer this one if you don't want to, although any input regarding the topic is appreciated.

Originally Posted by mischievious

I did, you asked why bring it up now.... considering he has only just read this story it would be impossible to bring this up before he had read it.....

I was referring to the fact he seems to think it's a new bone of contention when in fact it's the same damned question that is repeatedly addressed in EVERY religious thread we have ever had on CF..which as he has been a member for the last 5 years he should be aware exactly what he is asking..

Now are you clear as to WHAT I MEANT?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Bender

you need not suffer this one if you don't want to, although any input regarding the topic is appreciated.

Being an admin means I don't have the luxury of picking and choosing which threads to look at.

Re: input.

I'm not going to give any for 2 reasons: firstly as I said earlier, the answers to the questions you ask have been answered hundreds of time in the past. Secondly no-one is ever satisfied with their question because another will always follow. And another and another etc and a lot of questions are not there to be answered, they will be thinly disguised digs aimed to mock.

If you want a clue, first of all research the fallacies and misconceptions in that story you've posted and also in the subsequent questions. Start at www.allaboutgod.com

[idi banashapan]

with all due respect maggy, if you don't want to be involved in the posting and have nothing constructive to add to the debate, might I suggest you focus your efforts on another thread. there's no need to shout at me though other members.

Originally Posted by Bender

with all due respect maggy, if you don't want to be involved in the posting and have nothing constructive to add to the debate, might I suggest you focus your efforts on another thread. there's no need to shout at me though other members.

Ah but unlike you I'm not sitting on the fence..and I'm wondering if you really are that naive and truly asking because you have suddenly had an Epiphany or because you just want to wind up the usual suspects?I'm questioning your motives..as is my right.

[mischievious]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I was referring to the fact he seems to think it's a new bone of contention when in fact it's the same damned question that is repeatedly addressed in EVERY religious thread we have ever had on CF..which as he has been a member for the last 5 years he should be aware exactly what he is asking..

Now are you clear as to WHAT I MEANT?

So why not actually say that rather than expect a level of clairvoyance I do not possess, bones nor contention were posted in the original thread

Ultimately I agree any arguement regarding religion tends to result in a no win for anyone. Does this mean that the topic should not be discussed?

I would compare to parliament, in the past 250 years or so, many debates have been had and the same ones countless times....

No one is forced to post, unless a moderating decision is required of course.

Originally Posted by mischievious

So why not actually say that rather than expect a level of clairvoyance I do not possess, bones nor contention were posted in the original thread

Ultimately I agree any arguement regarding religion tends to result in a no win for anyone. Does this mean that the topic should not be discussed?

I would compare to parliament, in the past 250 years or so, many debates have been had and the same ones countless times....

No one is forced to post, unless a moderating decision is required of course.

With all due respect my original question was not aimed at you...And why should those of faith have to continually have to answer the same damned question? Which so often as Russ says descend into the sly digs and abusive comments about their beliefs.I'm nt saying that you or Bender WILL do this but you can be ceratin that there are those on CF who will inevitably do so.

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Ah but unlike you I'm not sitting on the fence..and I'm wondering if you really are that naive and truly asking because you have suddenly had an Epiphany or because you just want to wind up the usual suspects?I'm questioning your motives..as is my right.

I would have thought my motives were clear in my original post, as I did quite clearly label them. now that you have your answer, you need not continue with your rather obnoxious manner. again, if you have nothing further to contribute that will be constructive, I see no reason for you to post. kindly either say your part that is relevent to the topic, or just read. there is no need to start throwing your weight around. this story actually caught my attention and did actually make me think. i was merely wondering what others thought... as is my right.

Originally Posted by Bender

I would have thought my motives were clear in my original post, as I did quite clearly label them. now that you have your answer, you need not continue with your rather obnoxious manner. again, if you have nothing further to contribute that will be constructive, I see no reason for you to post. kindly either say your part that is relevent to the topic, or just read. there is no need to start throwing your weight around. this story actually caught my attention and did actually make me think. i was merely wondering what others thought... as is my right.

I've every right to give my opinions in this or any other thread..as forcefully as I care to provided I'm not rude or abusive...