School gym forced to shut - Page 13

**Hugh** · 09-03-2009, 18:56

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

as far as I am aware there is only one Koran so how can they follow different versions of it? sometimes things really are black and white. The rules of whatever religion you follow will be laid out for the follower pretty early on so the follower knows the score. He/she then chooses if he /she is going to follow these rules if they choose to then they are following the teachings of their church if they choose not to then they do not

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its also been reported in the Telegraph

Renowned for it's left-wing bias and pinko sympathies.....

(I know, because I read it (and the Times).....)

09-03-2009, 18:58

Does that mean you support the Telegraphs reports or not lol

**Hugh** · 09-03-2009, 19:05

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

Does that mean you support the Telegraphs reports or not lol

No, because I don't believe everything I read, especially if I know the periodical has an innate bias.

Why reinforce my prejudices - I would rather challenge them.

Stuart · 09-03-2009, 19:08

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

as far as I am aware there is only one Koran so how can they follow different versions of it? sometimes things really are black and white. The rules of whatever religion you follow will be laid out for the follower pretty early on so the follower knows the score. He/she then chooses if he /she is going to follow these rules if they choose to then they are following the teachings of their church if they choose not to then they do not

There are, however, different ways to interpret it.

09-03-2009, 19:15

yeah but church leaders will teach it and the follower will decide whether to follow the rules or not it is that simple

**Hugh** · 09-03-2009, 19:18

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

yeah but church leaders will teach it and the follower will decide whether to follow the rules or not it is that simple

Re the Bible - which Church leader, and which version of the Bible?

Or isn't it that simple?

**Chris** · 09-03-2009, 19:19

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Re the Bible - which Church leader, and which version of the Bible?

Or isn't it that simple?

Just because you can ask a question in 9 words doesn't mean the answer has to be.

papa smurf · 09-03-2009, 19:20

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

yeah but church leaders will teach it and the follower will decide whether to follow the rules or not it is that simple

there is nothing simple about religion--as i see it the goal posts get a regular shuffle

09-03-2009, 19:21

it is that simple. You go to a catholic church you need to learn the basics before you take communion so you know the rules per that churchs doctrine you choose to live by them or not of course if you choose not you can go and confess simple

If you are a JW you have to do bible studies and learn a certain amount before you are baptised you then choose to live by the rules or not simple

You are a Muslim and go to the Mosque I am pretty sure they teach you the rules early on you then choose to live by them or not simple

The differences in religions are complicated whether or not you live by the laws of said religion is you got it simple

edit these points directly to the faith as being followed and whether folling a doctrine is choice or part of the doctrine. So identifying if its doctrine or personal relates to topic of females being allowed to mix with males (just to show I am not deliberately posting off topic)

09-03-2009, 19:24

Hey guys

I do not understand why there is the issue of religion, Quran, "muslims are cowards" etc come into this topic. The way I see it is that the school in question is an independent all girls school. Their parents have paid so much money for them to be "well taught" and be segregated from boys. Simple, why make something so simple into something it is not.

You may say well that the gym is being used after school hours, that still does not matter seeing as the gym is based inside the school (correct me if im wrong) and the girl students are bound to be there as it is school facility which the parents are paying for.

If this was an ordinary comprehensive school then I would have sympathized with many people on here but what I'm trying to say is the parents argument is justified for this specific case. Media propaganda eh lol seems to be the new fashion "all these Muslims in our country are corrupt and terrorists".

09-03-2009, 19:27

It will not get in the way of the education in any way?

We argue the justice on the forum we make absolutely no difference what so ever to what goes on but we discuss if we think it is just or not

papa smurf · 09-03-2009, 19:29

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

it is that simple. You go to a catholic church you need to learn the basics before you take communion so you know the rules per that churchs doctrine you choose to live by them or not of course if you choose not you can go and confess simple

If you are a JW you have to do bible studies and learn a certain amount before you are baptised you then choose to live by the rules or not simple

You are a Muslim and go to the Mosque I am pretty sure they teach you the rules early on you then choose to live by them or not simple

The differences in religions are complicated whether or not you live by the laws of said religion is you got it simple

edit these points directly to the faith as being followed and whether folling a doctrine is choice or part of the doctrine. So identifying if its doctrine or personal relates to topic of females being allowed to mix with males (just to show I am not deliberately posting off topic)

think i'll stick to the dark side

Stuart · 09-03-2009, 19:33

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

it is that simple. You go to a catholic church you need to learn the basics before you take communion so you know the rules per that churchs doctrine you choose to live by them or not of course if you choose not you can go and confess simple

If you are a JW you have to do bible studies and learn a certain amount before you are baptised you then choose to live by the rules or not simple

You are a Muslim and go to the Mosque I am pretty sure they teach you the rules early on you then choose to live by them or not simple

The differences in religions are complicated whether or not you live by the laws of said religion is you got it simple

OK.. Explain this. I have been to weddings at two Catholic churches (actually more, but two of them fit this example well). At one, the priest denounced all non-believers (ie me) as Heathens and they should be treated as such. At another, the priest said that Catholics should welcome all people. Believers and non-believers. Two priests, both using the same Bible, and both supposedly teaching the same thing. Yet not.

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Originally Posted by i-Set

Hey guys

I do not understand why there is the issue of religion, Quran, "muslims are cowards" etc come into this topic. The way I see it is that the school in question is an independent all girls school. Their parents have paid so much money for them to be "well taught" and be segregated from boys. Simple, why make something so simple into something it is not.

You may say well that the gym is being used after school hours, that still does not matter seeing as the gym is based inside the school (correct me if im wrong) and the girl students are bound to be there as it is school facility which the parents are paying for.

If this was an ordinary comprehensive school then I would have sympathized with many people on here but what I'm trying to say is the parents argument is justified for this specific case. Media propaganda eh lol seems to be the new fashion "all these Muslims in our country are corrupt and terrorists".

Actually, that is a good point.. The school is privately owned so they can hire out the space to whomever they wish.

09-03-2009, 19:37

well thats Catholics for you

each congregation still gets to choose if they follow what is taught. Even if one teaches wrong the individual gets to choose.

icestar2 · 09-03-2009, 19:39

Dont know if this is off topic and if it is I'm sorry but after reading this thread and seeing what people have to say I would surgest that we all judge people on there own merits and not on what they beleive or were they are from.

Regarding this specific issue at hand I believe that there was an fair attempt made for a comprosmise by starting the gym a little later at 6:30 but that seems to have just been thrown out the window.