School gym forced to shut

Originally Posted by budwieser

How old are you Chris?
Did you go to school and have Religious Education lessons?
What faith were you taught?
or maybe you just don`t believe in god.?

You're great value for money this evening. Here we go:

- Mid 30s. Not sure how that's relevant, but hey.
- Yes.
- All faiths and none. A fairly standard English secondary school curriculum.
- Forgive me, I'm laughing too hard to answer that. Here, do some homework:

Gooogle me.

[budwieser]

Originally Posted by Chris

We live in a democracy, not a totalitarian regime. Blaming the Muslims who live in the UK for the shortcomings of some Islamic countries is just desperate nonsense.

And because we live in a democracy, everyone has the right to be heard, and to ask to have their views and their way of life respected. The rest of us have a responsibility to listen to them and then to see how far we can accommodate them, to the best satisfaction of all.

The majority do not lord it over the minority and deny them their voice and their freedoms. If that's what you want, then you want a Britain that is strangely like an Islamic dictatorship.

Chris, all respect to you, but we can accomodate and respect other religions but not to a point where we`re put in the backseat because of our religious views.

Originally Posted by budwieser

I`m a Christian, i don`t attack people with bombs and guns because i think what i believe is right. What i find hard to accept is that some " Religions" think its ok to do this. Isn`t the koran based on peace for example?

Which is why it's a very small subset who are violent and not Mainstream Muslims.

[budwieser]

Originally Posted by Chris

You're great value for money this evening. Here we go:

- Mid 30s. Not sure how that's relevant, but hey.
- Yes.
- All faiths and none. A fairly standard English secondary school curriculum.
- Forgive me, I'm laughing too hard to answer that. Here, do some homework:

Gooogle me.

Enough sarcasm please.
Why are you laughing?
"All faiths and none" What the hell does that mean? Have you lost your faith?

Originally Posted by budwieser

Enough sarcasm please.
Why are you laughing?
"All faiths and none" What the hell does that mean? Have you lost your faith?

Ok. I'm sorry for laughing. Let me explain.

You asked what religion I was taught at school. Well, in school RE lessons we learned about all religions, and about atheism. That's what RE lessons are for.

What I was taught at Church is a different matter. These days I am a Baptist lay preacher, as Russ already said earlier. I am a Christian. I don't think I'm an especially good one, but I am one.

Now, I'm going to have to think about how to split this thread as we are totally, and irredemably off topic...

Originally Posted by Chris

What proof do you have that the Muslim families in question were not born here? I'm willing to bet that most, if not all, of those involved are natural-born British, and just as entitled to a say in what happens in *their* country (i.e. Great Britain) as you are.

that argument is invalid(imo) .When the great grand parents/grandparents of modern "British muslims"came to this country they came to live here under British law and British ideals to escape the barbarism and intollerance in there own countries .We allow them to practise there religion without predjudice but not to force it on other people
we cannot allow any religion to take precidence over any other .This country should be ruled by democratic law not religious law
the above comment by chris is true and i agree they do have an equal say,although invalid as an argument,and therefore the muslims involved should accept that if they live in this country they will have to compromise some of there beliefs for the good of the majority and not behave like the hard line activists their grand parents escaped from

[Arthurgray50@blu]

CFT, I would strongly urge, for this thread to be closed down, on the grounds that it is getting totally out of control, we must accept, that this is one problem that won't go away, and you can slag off each other till the cows come home, It is agreeablwe that IF we went to that country, we have to abide by there rules, BUT this country, will keep accepting the fact, that we will have to abide by certain faiths, in telling us what to do, you can blame this countries leadership and the human rights for that.

This country, will always keep the gates open, allowing them to come into this country, and there isn't anything we can do about it.

Originally Posted by budwieser

Chris, all respect to you, but we can accomodate and respect other religions but not to a point where we`re put in the backseat because of our religious views.

I agree, but I think it's an overstatement to say that anything that is happening in our society at large amounts to 'putting us in the back seat'. Most of what goes on is barely more than allowing them to ride in the car with us. Possibly allowing them to choose the CD once in a while.

[budwieser]

Originally Posted by Chris

Ok. I'm sorry for laughing. Let me explain.

You asked what religion I was taught at school. Well, in school RE lessons we learned about all religions, and about atheism. That's what RE lessons are for.

What I was taught at Church is a different matter. These days I am a Baptist lay preacher, as Russ already said earlier. I am a Christian. I don't think I'm an especially good one, but I am one.

Now, I'm going to have to think about how to split this thread as we are totally, and irredemably off topic...

Right, when i was taught abour RE at school, i was taught about the Bible. Athiesm did`nt come into it,
As a preacher, Is`nt there supposed to be only one god in the christian faith?
And how are these posts off topic?

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Originally Posted by Chris

I agree, but I think it's an overstatement to say that anything that is happening in our society at large amounts to 'putting us in the back seat'. Most of what goes on is barely more than allowing them to ride in the car with us. Possibly allowing them to choose the CD once in a while.

Chris,, How often do you read about or are told that we can`t do a certain thing because of offending other Religions?
Don`t you think that thats just wrong? I do.

[mr,m]

Originally Posted by budwieser

So, What`re your thoughts on this thread then?
Do you have some input?

HARR I certainly do,but don't wish to incur the mods rath!

[Sir John Luke]

Originally Posted by budwieser

Right, when i was taught abour RE at school, i was taught about the Bible. Athiesm did`nt come into it,
As a preacher, Is`nt there supposed to be only one god in the christian faith?
And how are these posts off topic?

Probably even more off-topic,but isn't there supposed to be only one God in Islam? The same God, in fact. The difference is that Christians believe Jesus was the Son of God, Muslims that He was merely a prophet?

Originally Posted by budwieser

Right, when i was taught abour RE at school, i was taught about the Bible. Athiesm did`nt come into it,
As a preacher, Is`nt there supposed to be only one god in the christian faith?
And how are these posts off topic?

It's off topic because the topic is an independent girls' school in Croydon and a gym club that uses its premises. However, let me worry about that, as I said I'm going to see if I can find a way to make a split so both discussions continue.

In the meantime, to answer your questions, there are clearly some big differences in the RE syllabus you followed and the one I followed. Age or location may be factors, or maybe you went to a church-aided school? It doesn't matter much anyway. RE is just RE, it's a lesson in school and unlikely to actually convert anyone to any particular religion in my experience. Even though one of our school's RE teachers was a URC minister ...

Regarding the number of Gods in the Christian faith, yes, there's only one. I suspect what's behind your question is a suspicion that I'm defending Muslims because I believe their religion is equally as correct as Christianity? That certainly isn't the case, anyway. Islam and Christianity make a number of claims about truth and the way to reach God that are incompatible with each other. They cannot both be right. I happen to believe that in these things, Christianity is right and Islam is wrong. However, just because I think Islam is wrong on some important issues, I don't deny Muslims the right to practice their religion and to ask to have their religious practices respected.

Crumbs, maybe we're not off topic after all!

this whole topic just cements my belief that 90%of the worlds problems are caused by religion

Originally Posted by Sir John Luke

Probably even more off-topic,but isn't there supposed to be only one God in Islam? The same God, in fact. The difference is that Christians believe Jesus was the Son of God, Muslims that He was merely a prophet?

Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all Abrahamic religions, in that they all claim the same roots in Abraham and the One God whom he worshipped.

However, they now all insist on slightly different ideas of who God is and how he may be reached. It's possible to see the Christian view of God as a development of the one in the Hebrew Bible (the 'Old Testament') that doesn't contradict the view held by Jews (although some Jews would disagree with that). On the other hand, while Muslims claim the Qu'ran is 'The Last Testament', it doesn't really wash because it directly contradicts the Christian New Testament that it supposedly follows. Not least by denying Jesus' deity as expressed in the NT.

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Originally Posted by martyh

this whole topic just cements my belief that 90%of the worlds problems are caused by religion

And your post cements my belief that you're more interested in intolerant sloganizing than in actually exploring or discussing issues.

[Sir John Luke]

Originally Posted by martyh

this whole topic just cements my belief that 90%of the worlds problems are caused by religion

I'll drink to that.