Strong Dogmatic View points!

[lucy7]

Originally Posted by Bender

not sure if this thread is irony or intentional, but here is a great place to post that. there are certainly a few here who will simply will not accept others' views, even when the reasoning for the view is given in the simplest terms.

I, for one, discovered recently that I can't be on the fence about anything. apparently, I HAVE to believe one thing or another!....

some just like to argue with you. simple as that. they take a disliking to you and try to linch you every time you post something...

...in my personal experience, anyway!!!

Posted only to raise a debate!

I am on another forum, where it seems to be the norm to argue and abuse each others view points, and never to debate them in a civilised manner!

Hence me being a new member on here, and looking for something a bit better, of a more adult way, and not kids verbally trying to get one over one another in the play ground!

This site seems to a bit more on the techno side for me maybe, so any pointers in another direction will be gratefully recieved!

Lucy.

Originally Posted by lucy7

Posted only to raise a debate!

I am on another forum, where it seems to be the norm to argue and abuse each others view points, and never to debate them in a civilised manner!

Hence me being a new member on here, and looking for something a bit better, of a more adult way, and not kids verbally trying to get one over one another in the play ground!

This site seems to a bit more on the techno side for me maybe, so any pointers in another direction will be gratefully recieved!

Lucy.

To be honest I reckon you are going to get this sort of behaviour anywhere you go online..

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by lucy7

This site seems to a bit more on the techno side for me maybe, so any pointers in another direction will be gratefully recieved!

Lucy.

I think it's the more structured nature of this forum that makes it somewhere where people are not so open to abuse as they are in other forums. I know it appears heavily technical in places, and I think that's partially due to the nature of the issues that many of our primary target audience experience.

The lifestyle areas of the forum are great places to hang out, and quite often are the source of some (very) heated/interesting debates - there's no reason at all why someone shouldn't spend their entire time here posting in/reading only those less technical areas.

There have been accusations in the past that the rules/moderation here are too strict. There are other forums that I've frequented in the past where this discussion would have been shut down the very minute that any criticism (be it direct or implied) of the staff was raised. I've also visited forums where I've stayed no longer than a couple of days, and only posted onces, such was the overtly hostile and abusive nature of many of the Members and discussions there.

I'm not suggesting that CF is perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it's a damn site better and a much nicer place to frequent than the majority of the other forums I'm a Member of.

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by lucy7

Posted only to raise a debate!

I am on another forum, where it seems to be the norm to argue and abuse each others view points, and never to debate them in a civilised manner!

Hence me being a new member on here, and looking for something a bit better, of a more adult way, and not kids verbally trying to get one over one another in the play ground!

This site seems to a bit more on the techno side for me maybe, so any pointers in another direction will be gratefully recieved!

Lucy.

some people just don't like being wrong or having someone think differently to themselves and really can't handle it. what's even funnier is when those people get beaten down with a logically-minded argumentative adversary! some of them HATE that!! lol

[mischievious]

I suspect the root problem is not the forums per se but the members attitudes. In my experience no matter what you discuss in real life or in a forum cannot always be agreed upon even in the face of overwhelming evidence. The discussion will start out amiable and each side of the debate will use its knowledge and evidence against the other until one side is clearly either stronger or simply more resourceful than the other. One side then being backed into a corner will either concede and as some put "see the light" (though what they do privately.....) OR simply don the "la la la I'm not listening headset" but still continue to post. The circular argument that is often cited is ofter due to this behaviour. In the face of evidence and outside resources, it is amazing how much illogical argument can have weight purely because others in the discussion support the original view.

As a society we hold a lot of stake in how much our words and actions mean to those around us even to strangers on the Internet. To lose face for many in a forum seems almost shameful....

Personally if you can beat me down I am willing to accept it, I believe that is what makes me a stronger and better human being, the ability to learn from my mistakes. That way I can use your own argument against you next time

Originally Posted by mischievious

I suspect the root problem is not the forums per se but the members attitudes. In my experience no matter what you discuss in real life or in a forum cannot always be agreed upon even in the face of overwhelming evidence. The discussion will start out amiable and each side of the debate will use its knowledge and evidence against the other until one side is clearly either stronger or simply more resourceful than the other. One side then being backed into a corner will either concede and as some put "see the light" (though what they do privately.....) OR simply don the "la la la I'm not listening headset" but still continue to post. The circular argument that is often cited is ofter due to this behaviour. In the face of evidence and outside resources, it is amazing how much illogical argument can have weight purely because others in the discussion support the original view.

As a society we hold a lot of stake in how much our words and actions mean to those around us even to strangers on the Internet. To lose face for many in a forum seems almost shameful....

Personally if you can beat me down I am willing to accept it, I believe that is what makes me a stronger and better human being, the ability to learn from my mistakes. That way I can use your own argument against you next time

Agreed - the older I get, and the more I learn, the more I realise that I have to learn.

[idi banashapan]

i can see this thread will actually have more irony posts in it than the titanic, or an irony type fence

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by Bender

i can see this thread will actually have more irony in it than the titanic

.....and it'll probably go down just as quickly

[idi banashapan]

lol

On that note -

What do you get if you cross an apple with a nun?





A computer that won't go down on you!

[danielf]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

On that note -

What do you get if you cross an apple with a nun?





A computer that won't go down on you!

NO YOU DON'T

:on-topic: There's nothing wrong with strong viewpoints. It's the dogmatic ones that are problematic.

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by danielf

There's nothing wrong with strong viewpoints. It's the dogmatic ones that are problematic.

what really gets me though, is those who have such a 'strong viewpoint', they begin to believe it is the truth and fact of the matter. everyone is entitled to an opinion, of course - but this does not mean that everyone else should have that same view, not does it mean that those with another view are fools.

another thing that I don't understand is when someone just doesn't read what you say, or if they only read the first one or two sentances without reading the whole post. they then start quoting you and taking it all out of context, or start arguing with you when you have already said in the post you are being quoted from that this isn't necessarily your view.

then there are those (often the same ones), who seem to feel that if you bring a view or belief to the table in order to open up the debate, that think it is YOUR view and will not accept anything other, even when you say it in plain English what you feel and explain it numerous times in many different ways.

there are more things that get me, but there's a starter for 10.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Bender

what really gets me though, is those who have such a 'strong viewpoint', they begin to believe it is the truth and fact of the matter. everyone is entitled to an opinion, of course - but this does not mean that everyone else should have that same view, not does it mean that those with another view are fools.

I'd class that as dogmatic, rather than just strong.

then there are those (often the same ones), who seem to feel that if you bring a view or belief to the table in order to open up the debate, that think it is YOUR view and will not accept anything other, even when you say it in plain English what you feel and explain it numerous times in many different ways.

I can't say this has happened to me, but I think I know what you're referring to

Originally Posted by Bender

what really gets me though, is those who have such a 'strong viewpoint', they begin to believe it is the truth and fact of the matter. everyone is entitled to an opinion, of course - but this does not mean that everyone else should have that same view, not does it mean that those with another view are fools.

another thing that I don't understand is when someone just doesn't read what you say, or if they only read the first one or two sentances without reading the whole post. they then start quoting you and taking it all out of context, or start arguing with you when you have already said in the post you are being quoted from that this isn't necessarily your view.

then there are those (often the same ones), who seem to feel that if you bring a view or belief to the table in order to open up the debate, that think it is YOUR view and will not accept anything other, even when you say it in plain English what you feel and explain it numerous times in many different ways.

there are more things that get me, but there's a starter for 10.

There nothing more guaranteed to polarise opinion than a fence sitter..Both sides will hate you.

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

There nothing more guaranteed to polarise opinion than a fence sitter..Both sides will hate you.

it's just a shame some people are so narrow minded.

but again, once they are presented with a logical argument from which they cannot wriggle free from (because suddenly they see that what they are saying is actually logically flawed), they start getting personal, disappear or just refuse to acknowledge what you are saying outright and continue to rant at you. it's crazy. still, it must mean that every day is an adventure for them, battling their way past logic all day, every day must be very tiring.