Teenager 'killed for being gay'

[basa]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Not sure that I am....I'm not particularly a fan of camp male behaviour (I feel exactly the same about 'lager-lout' behaviour too), I've only ever been to that sort of bar 3 times and I didn't feel comfortable there at all. Maybe it was just that particular place or those certain nights but I won't be going back. I'm happy with the places I usually go to anyway.

In any case I'm not talking about 'gay friendly' bars which are different from the specific 'gay bars' I think we're on about.

I used to frequent a gay bar in Manchester years ago. It was one of the friendliest and safest bars I've ever been in. They had a great video juke box as well which helped the atmosphere.

As to all the comments re secret gays beating up on gays, how does that tally with those disgusting **** who beat a poor Goth girl to death. Were they secret Goths?? I don't think so, they are just hate filled morons.

Originally Posted by basa

I used to frequent a gay bar in Manchester years ago. It was one of the friendliest and safest bars I've ever been in. They had a great video juke box as well which helped the atmosphere.

As to all the comments re secret gays beating up on gays, how does that tally with those disgusting **** who beat a poor Goth girl to death. Were they secret Goths?? I don't think so, they are just hate filled morons.

There was once a meet in Manchester of some members of the predecessor to Cable Forum - we went out to the bars in Cable Street & it was one of the best nights out I have had, great music, fantastic atmosphere - and, as far as I can remember, no more overt affection than you'd expect from hetero couples in a similar environment.

I have worked with several 'gay' people, male & female, who were confident enough to be honest about their sexuality. They could be just treated as colleagues once that was 'out of the way' & the whole thing was much easier.

Why anyone could kill another person for being different in any way, be it Goth, Emo, Hippy, Biker - etc, etc, is a mystery to me ...

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by basa

As to all the comments re secret gays beating up on gays, how does that tally with those disgusting **** who beat a poor Goth girl to death. Were they secret Goths?? I don't think so, they are just hate filled morons.

You may well be right basa, re the secret gay theory, it is just a theory to explain otherwise incomprehensible behaviour of the mindless thug who murdered this young lad.

The comparison you make is more of a mob hate, macho, mindless violence, peer goading, crowd mentality..... call it what you will... just as incomprehensible and sickening but to me it's on a different level than the individual hating somebody because of a difference..... and carrying out murder with no entourage to encourage.

[Welshchris]

Originally Posted by harmitage

You're looking it at from the wrong perspective mate with all due respect. Although you have gay friendly establishments you don't have to be gay to go in there and enjoy yourself. Inside you'll find a mixture of folk with the same ambition as most of us have when we go out... have fun. Take folk at face value, having it uppermost in our mind that they are gay is no better than constantly thinking that the person you're talking to is coloured or has ginger hair.. It's not that important at the end of the day.

i used to run a gaybar for 9 months and ud be suprised of the str8 people that used to come in for a laff and have a good time. We used to have a large group of Army guys come in with their girlfriends on Friday and Saturday nights and have a laff and mingle, never no bother.

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

But why should they be labed Gay bars and Gay Clubs? why shouldnt there be just clubs and pubs where everyone is free to drink and act as they please in any?

You ought to come down to Brighton Chris, years ago when god was a boy we used to have a few exclusively gay bars and clubs, but nowadays there doesn't seem to be exclusively gay bars anymore, everyone seems to go wherever the best pubs and clubs are irrespective of sexuality.
I'm sure there are some places with a higher gay clientele, but as someone said earlier a lot of the straight girls like to go there, which then attracts straight lads on the pull, which in the end means everyone mixes together
Viva la differance

Ok to set it straight i was not in anyway defending the killing of this lad with what i said and there is absolutely no excuse for hurting one human being because they are different to you no matter what that difference is. As for the gay bar thing i don't really care what a pub is supposed to be as long as it has a good atomosphere and doesn't rip me off for a glass of coke . I think in this day and age we are getting way too caught up in the whole labelling ourself thing and from what i see with a lot of the kids these days they have to label themself with one group or another to fit in seems it is no longer good enough to be yourself which is a shame.

[broadbandking]

I must say I was always lil narrow minded regarding gays people but would never think bashing them would be a good idea, since working where I am now I have met many gay people and I must say they are just like any normal person so when I was reading this I couldn't help but feel so bad for the family and poor chap, he wasn't abnormal he was a person like anyone and it makes me sick.

[Welshchris]

I honestly think the UK should bring back corporal punishment as it would bring down crime rate and i do still believe that the USA has the best method.. if someone murders someone then they themself should be forced to give up their life.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

I honestly think the UK should bring back corporal punishment as it would bring down crime rate and i do still believe that the USA has the best method.. if someone murders someone then they themself should be forced to give up their life.

funny thier crime rates are mostly higher than ours

as to what happened they should lock them up and throw away the keys sadly they wont

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by rogermevans

funny thier crime rates are mostly higher than ours

as to what happened they should lock them up and throw away the keys sadly they wont

I'll second that roger, the US has the harshest penal system in the western world but it hasn't made them any safer as a nation.
I've no doubt that if capital and corporal punishment really did deter crime other western nations would adopt it, but it doesn't in my opinion it just brutalizes society as a whole.
But where I do disagree with our system are the paltry sentences, when the death penalty was abolished in the 60s part of the proviso was that in cases where the black cap would've came out, life in jail would mean life and no parole.

[Russ]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7872511.stm

This is what I don't understand...

His tutors felt that a career in paediatrics, the area he was interested in at the time, would be inappropriate because of his sexuality

Since when was there any sort of link between homosexuality and paedophillia, which is what I believe the above is implying?

Unless they are referring to a limited level of intelligence which would cause a misconception? In which case I don't think they should be pandering to it.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Since when was there any sort of link between homosexuality and paedophillia, which is what I believe the above is implying?

I thought that was the implication a lot of the time (Unfortunately) Especially when certain newspapers report abuse cases

It is Ben but then certain newspapers don't have any intelligent people working for them hence most of their content designed to scare people and scapegoat others.

[Welshchris]

Originally Posted by rogermevans

funny thier crime rates are mostly higher than ours

as to what happened they should lock them up and throw away the keys sadly they wont

There crime rates are higher per head than us because theres more of them.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

There crime rates are higher per head than us because theres more of them.

If you are talking per head figures, then the difference in population is irrelevant, because they are expressed as number of crimes for each member of population.