50Mbit Service Upstream Discussion - Page 3

Ignitionnet · 11-01-2009, 14:09

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Originally Posted by hokkers999

Did you convert that to Ã‚Â£'s from another currency? If not, who is it with and where do I sign up?

I'm afraid I did indeed convert from another currency

broadbandking · 11-01-2009, 14:14

VM could offer 100Mbit down but upload is still going to very limited as the equipment doesn't even support channel bonding as far as upstream goes.

InfiniteBiscuit · 11-01-2009, 14:26

Is that regarding the DOCSIS 3.0 equipment they're using, or the modems themselves?

Ignitionnet · 11-01-2009, 14:27

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Originally Posted by broadbandking

VM could offer 100Mbit down but upload is still going to very limited as the equipment doesn't even support channel bonding as far as upstream goes.

VM are using a single upstream channel with a data capacity of 8.8Mbit. There are upstream channels in the standard with a capacity of 26.4Mbit, and they could run multiple upstream channels per node.

As I mentioned neither UPC nor the operator whose offerings I mentioned elsewhere are bonding either, yet they are offering up to 10Mbit upstream. The CMTS not bonding is no excuse at all.

Kymmy · 11-01-2009, 14:37

Probably one of the main reasons as to why UK ISP's are very slow to offer decent upstreams might be the money they can make from leased lines.. In the end who'd want a n expensive leased line if a basic account would suffice...

Mick Fisher · 11-01-2009, 15:46

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Originally Posted by Broadbandings

If it's enough for a 50/5 service how do you feel about it for a 50/1,5 service?

I feel the concept of a 50/1.5 service at any price to be quite ludicrous and I for one will not even be considering it.

Ignitionnet · 11-01-2009, 16:07

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

Probably one of the main reasons as to why UK ISP's are very slow to offer decent upstreams might be the money they can make from leased lines.. In the end who'd want a n expensive leased line if a basic account would suffice...

A fair point indeed - Easynet Connect offer some cheaper than leased line products while ntl:tw offer only business broadband via cable and DSL and leased lines, they don't have the portfolio of an Easynet Connect (ADSL, SDSL, Surestream, Etherstream, Leased Lines).

broadbandking · 11-01-2009, 16:09

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Originally Posted by Broadbandings

VM are using a single upstream channel with a data capacity of 8.8Mbit. There are upstream channels in the standard with a capacity of 26.4Mbit, and they could run multiple upstream channels per node.

As I mentioned neither UPC nor the operator whose offerings I mentioned elsewhere are bonding either, yet they are offering up to 10Mbit upstream. The CMTS not bonding is no excuse at all.

So what is the reason Virgin Media dont offer the higher upload, you have to also remember tho, other companies dont have as many customer Virgin Media do, so they need a **** load of bandwidth to serve us all and this other company only have say few hundred thousand customers which is less bandwidth than VM have to provide.

Whilst I understand VM arent knights in shining armour and they are no where near pumping in enough money to the network to make it stable, you just have to look at all side.

Ignitionnet · 11-01-2009, 16:16

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Originally Posted by broadbandking

So what is the reason Virgin Media dont offer the higher upload, you have to also remember tho, other companies dont have as many customer Virgin Media do, so they need a **** load of bandwidth to serve us all and this other company only have say few hundred thousand customers which is less bandwidth than VM have to provide.

Whilst I understand VM arent knights in shining armour and they are no where near pumping in enough money to the network to make it stable, you just have to look at all side.

VM get their bandwidth cheaper than other providers precisely because they are the size they are, economies of scale. Also this size hasn't prevented them releasing a 50Mbit downstream product, why should it be an 'issue' for upstream? The largest cable ISP in the world seems to not have issues offering 10Mbit upload on their 50Mbit product, 5Mbit on their 22Mbit product.

The product isn't there because they don't want it to be. They are waiting for a pervasive reason to do the necessary and analogue switchoff to make things easier on the RF side of things and reduce required investment.

Speaking with a chap I know on Comcast's 50Mbit he sent me this, one for the techies

Upstream Bonding Channel Value
Channel ID 2
Frequency 32400000 Hz
Ranging Service ID 6368
Symbol Rate 5.120 Msym/sec
Power Level 37 dBmV
Upstream Modulation [3] QPSK [3] 64QAM

Just a bummer that Comcast can do it with having lots of analogue, smaller upstream spectrum, allowing people to plug TVs straight into the cable and do whatever they want with it once it comes into their homes, use their own modems, etc, while VM who control what is connected to their network and have the majority underground can't

dannybear · 11-01-2009, 22:21

Thats why am going with O2 cheaper, better and faster upload speeds.

The people I know who went for the 50mb, this service. Lets say, they soon changed back 10mb etc. Some of them even told VM to stick it.

With in the next week or so they get a letter saying " Free and offering " as giving a poor service for 6 mths of free Internet, just shows how much VM has total balls'ed up Telewest / NTL work they done over the years.

VM is going down the loo if it dont pull it shocks up and get it act together. Dont be tight on buying new gear rather than still using 1994 techology.

moroboshi · 12-01-2009, 06:44

The appealing aspect of the 50mbit service to me is the lack of download caps/throttling. Streaming an HD movie from Xbox Live is impossible on my current 20mbit connection as the download cap is hit half way through and the stream aborts.

Zhadnost · 12-01-2009, 11:03

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Originally Posted by Broadbandings

The commercial case is a simple one - ask Bethere how many of their customers take their Pro package. The benefits of that pack are a static IP address, oh and an increase of maximum upstream from 1.3 to 2.5Mbit, it costs 4GBP/month. People *will* pay for the extra upstream, even if as in the case of DSL it costs them downstream.
BB

Be changed their packages a while back, now Be Unlimited also gets a static IP.

Worth noting, there are people (like myself) who have a Be connection who aren't on Pro because the line can't support ADSL2M.

ShadowTD · 12-01-2009, 15:01

I'm on 10mb and I'd quite happily pay another Ã‚Â£4 for a high upload. Say 2mb.

broadbandking · 12-01-2009, 16:04

I think we are all wishing on false hopes for upstream to increase, all companies have always had low upstream even BE cant guarentee the 2.5Mb upload

RubberyDuck · 12-01-2009, 16:23

You right about BE, I'm with them now, tried the 2.5Mbit upload for 3 days, couldn't get anymore than 1.5Mbit, download then dropped to 5Mbit.

The thing is though, BE only charge Ã‚Â£4 for upto double the speed. VM can almost ensure doubling the upload speed and I'm sure many a person hear would pay that for double upload. Ã‚Â£55 a month for 50/3.5 doesn't sound as bad as Ã‚Â£51 for 50/1.75.

I'd pay it for sure, though I am going to get the 50Mbit as soon as it is available here in Essex anyway. Anyone know when ;-)